What Does Saint Thomas Say About Immigration?

What Does Saint Thomas Say About Immigration?

“These are some of the thoughts of Saint Thomas Aquinas on the matter of immigration”

In looking at the debate over immigration, it is almost automatically assumed that the Church’s position is one of unconditional charity toward those who enter the nation, legally or illegally.

However, is this the case? What does the Bible say about immigration? What do Church doctors and theologians say? Above all, what does the greatest of doctors, Saint Thomas Aquinas, say about immigration? Does his opinion offer some insights to the burning issues now shaking the nation and blurring the national borders?

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Immigration is a modern problem and so some might think that the medieval Saint Thomas would have no opinion about the problem. And yet, he does. One has only to look in his masterpiece, the Summa Theologica, in the first part of the second part, question 105, article 3 (I-II, Q. 105, Art. 3). There one finds his analysis based on biblical insights that can add to the national debate. They are entirely applicable to the present.



Saint Thomas: “Man’s relations with foreigners are twofold: peaceful, and hostile: and in directing both kinds of relation the Law contained suitable precepts.”

Commentary: In making this affirmation, Saint Thomas affirms that not all immigrants are equal. Every nation has the right to decide which immigrants are beneficial, that is, “peaceful,” to the common good. As a matter of self-defense, the State can reject those criminal elements, traitors, enemies and others who it deems harmful or “hostile” to its citizens.

The second thing he affirms is that the manner of dealing with immigration is determined by law in the cases of both beneficial and “hostile” immigration. The State has the right and duty to apply its law.

Saint Thomas: “For the Jews were offered three opportunities of peaceful relations with foreigners. First, when foreigners passed through their land as travelers. Secondly, when they came to dwell in their land as newcomers. And in both these respects the Law made kind provision in its precepts: for it is written (Exodus 22:21): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [advenam]’; and again (Exodus 22:9): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [peregrino].’”

Commentary: Here Saint Thomas acknowledges the fact that others will want to come to visit or even stay in the land for some time. Such foreigners deserved to be treated with charity, respect and courtesy, which is due to any human of good will. In these cases, the law can and should protect foreigners from being badly treated or molested.

Saint Thomas: “Thirdly, when any foreigners wished to be admitted entirely to their fellowship and mode of worship. With regard to these a certain order was observed. For they were not at once admitted to citizenship: just as it was law with some nations that no one was deemed a citizen except after two or three generations, as the Philosopher says (Polit. iii, 1).”

Commentary: Saint Thomas recognizes that there will be those who will want to stay and become citizens of the lands they visit. However, he sets as the first condition for acceptance a desire to integrate fully into what would today be considered the culture and life of the nation.

A second condition is that the granting of citizenship would not be immediate. The integration process takes time. People need to adapt themselves to the nation. He quotes the philosopher Aristotle as saying this process was once deemed to take two or three generations. Saint Thomas himself does not give a time frame for this integration, but he does admit that it can take a long time.

Saint Thomas: “The reason for this was that if foreigners were allowed to meddle with the affairs of a nation as soon as they settled down in its midst, many dangers might occur, since the foreigners not yet having the common good firmly at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people.”

Commentary: The common sense of Saint Thomas is certainly not politically correct but it is logical. The theologian notes that living in a nation is a complex thing. It takes time to know the issues affecting the nation. Those familiar with the long history of their nation are in the best position to make the long-term decisions about its future. It is harmful and unjust to put the future of a place in the hands of those recently arrived, who, although through no fault of their own, have little idea of what is happening or has happened in the nation. Such a policy could lead to the destruction of the nation.

As an illustration of this point, Saint Thomas later notes that the Jewish people did not treat all nations equally since those nations closer to them were more quickly integrated into the population than those who were not as close. Some hostile peoples were not to be admitted at all into full fellowship due to their enmity toward the Jewish people.

Saint Thomas: “Nevertheless it was possible by dispensation for a man to be admitted to citizenship on account of some act of virtue: thus it is related (Judith 14:6) that Achior, the captain of the children of Ammon, ‘was joined to the people of Israel, with all the succession of his kindred.’”

Commentary: That is to say, the rules were not rigid. There were exceptions that were granted based on the circumstances. However, such exceptions were not arbitrary but always had in mind the common good. The example of Achior describes the citizenship bestowed upon the captain and his children for the good services rendered to the nation.

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These are some of the thoughts of Saint Thomas Aquinas on the matter of immigration based on biblical principles. It is clear that immigration must have two things in mind: the first is the nation’s unity; and the second is the common good.

Immigration should have as its goal integration, not disintegration or segregation. The immigrant should not only desire to assume the benefits but the responsibilities of joining into the full fellowship of the nation. By becoming a citizen, a person becomes part of a broad family over the long term and not a shareholder in a joint stock company seeking only short-term self-interest.

Secondly, Saint Thomas teaches that immigration must have in mind the common good; it cannot destroy or overwhelm a nation.

This explains why so many Americans experience uneasiness caused by massive and disproportional immigration. Such policy artificially introduces a situation that destroys common points of unity and overwhelms the ability of a society to absorb new elements organically into a unified culture. The common good is no longer considered.

A proportional immigration has always been a healthy development in a society since itSubscription11 injects new life and qualities into a social body. But when it loses that proportion and undermines the purpose of the State, it threatens the well-being of the nation.

When this happens, the nation would do well to follow the advice of Saint Thomas Aquinas and biblical principles. The nation must practice justice and charity towards all, including foreigners, but it must above all safeguard the common good and its unity, without which no country can long endure.

(This posting is a development of a paragraph and footnote from the book, Return to Order. Those who want to post or publish this article can do so as long as the credit is given to the Return to Order website and a link is made.)

  • Anna

    Very well said, I agree completely

  • Jerry from Colorado Springs

    This makes a lot of sense, I hope many Catholic leaders will read this – politicians too!

    • Amy

      Integration not segregation should be the end goal of immigration. If you migrate to a country where you decided & want to spend the rest of your life, you must be willing to learn & adapt to their culture , language & laws , without forgetting your origin. It’s not fair for the citizens in that country to adjust to your ways as you were not forced to live in that country . It was your choice or else if you can’t adapt , you are free to leave & get back to your country of origin . Host countries have the right to refuse any stranger / immigrant to be deported if immigrants posed a threat to peace & safety of the citizenry .

      • AZ-Ike

        It appears to me that ‘migration’ and ‘immigration’ are different terms: migration being the free movement between areas/States/countries and immigration being the permanent re-location to another country. Migration between countries with immigration laws is generally illegal because the ‘migrants’ ignore the laws of the country–whether the migrant are peaceful or hostile.
        Any ‘migrant’ who breaks a country’s immigration laws upon entering or staying in the country should be deported–again, whether they are a threat to the peace and safety of the citizenry, or not.
        St Thomas specifically stated “…the manner of dealing with immigration is determined by law in the cases of both beneficial and “hostile” immigration. The State has the right and duty to apply its law.”

        • Geoff

          Yes very good points. Usually visas only allow for a certain period such as 30 days before you must self-deport otherwise you end up breaking the immigration laws.

          • Flame

            But there are different kinds of visas. For example, a student or a work visa would have a term much longer than 30 days — usually at least a full year, often with provisions for renewal. Then there is also a form of application to become a permanent resident alien. This would be granted, for example, to the foreign-born spouse of an American and carries the suggestion that at some point, the immigrant would become naturalized.

            All these serve useful purposes. The ones we must be concerned with are those who feel they can just ignore all visa requirements and just enter.

            It’s exactly the same, on a smaller scale, as a visitor who knocks on your door and requests admittance and the burglar who just breaks in. One we welcome; the other we prosecute.

          • anAmericanByChoice

            It goes beyond “The ones we must be concerned with are those who feel they can just ignore all visa requirements and just enter[,]” because no visa carries a requirement that one must integrate, simply that one must respect local laws. Even legal residents who are not citizens do not have the right to participate in many aspects of public life, such as, for example, the presidential elections; because they are not citizens and have not yet proven to have the country’s best interests at heart they cannot take part in actions that may change the destiny of the country. This is obvious when one thinks of illegal immigrants voting for those who squander the countries public monies on inane welfare projects of all kinds. The sense of entitlement of most people is killing the USA (and many other countries.) Most immigrants 100, 200 years ago wanted to come to America for the opportunity; they were granted entry, and worked hard. Nowadays, immigrants and refugees are given a free pass and handed everything on a silver platter and still complain it’s not enough! Under the pretext of social justice, political correctness and even a sense of guilt from past history, many believe that it’s a duty to give these people anything and everything. It is not so. Even charitable feelings can be misplaced, and misunderstood. And then it goes beyond that: when certain groups of people immigrate, settle down, become citizens and yet, seek nothing else but take over the mechanisms that can change the laws, customs and destiny of the country (think Sharia being implemented in communities across the world, slowly and inexorably changing the fabric of society, in countries that are not Muslim…) There is intent. In my very humble opinion, evil intent when this happens. This should not be allowed to happen. So it is not only what the visa requirements are, but a matter of what is right and wrong, and Sharia is wrong, and Christ’s ways are right. One cannot serve God and mammon. One must chose this day the Master, or forever wander in darkness.

          • Flame

            You make very good points, ABC, and I have to agree with you. In fact, I was thinking along those lines just this morning as I watched news reports of all the protesters at airports this weekend after Trump’s stay-of-entry order. My pastor even touched on the charity issue in his sermon yesterday (well within the bounds of the Johnson Amendment). Yet I think all of them, including my pastor, are so focused on the “charity” of this matter with little or no regard for national security.

            One reason I don’t particularly want even the “peaceful” refugees from Syria or other predominantly muslim countries is that when the women come in, they have children, and we are currently under invasion — I can’t recall the term they are using for it, but as this particular culture breeds and increases their proportion of the population, they bring their culture with them. Once they reach a certain level of the population, they can be expected to rise up and say, in effect, okay, we’re now the majority, so we order you to obey our dictates.

            I personally can cite 2 or 3 (at least) religious sects with whose teachings I do not agree, but not a single one of them says that I MUST accept their teaching or die. There are some who, I’m sure, go away shaking their heads and telling themselves I am bound for the place “down below,” but none of them come at me to take my life because I choose to differ. Likewise, I shake my head at some of their teachings, but I then pray for them to accept Christ as their Savior and witness in such ways as I can — but I surely don’t threaten their lives.

            For the progressives and the protesters to damn Trump for what he is doing is to forget our fairly recent history. In the late 40s, 50s and into the 60s, we restricted entry by known communists because the commie way of life was to take over. We are faced with that now, because islam is a total political philosophy, but where communism denied the existence of any god, including God the Father, islam has a religious component that its adherents are exploiting to use our Bill of Rights against us.

            What we need is someone with the fortitude of Thomas Jefferson, who sent our Navy and Marines after the Barbary Pirates back in the early 1800s with nary a protest (at least I would not expect any). We may well have such a person in Donald Trump, and I am supporting what he is doing.

            What makes it so tragic is the distance to which the camel has reached his nose into the tent under the previous 3 or 4 presidents (including the ineligible usurper who just left), who did not enforce existing laws. If they had done their jobs, the current burdens on those seeking to come would not be as severe and cause as much upheaval as they are under the current order.

            But let’s say you maintain your car with regular care, when something eventually breaks down, it usually isn’t nearly as severe as if you neglect the care along the way. Then the breakdown is severe, worse than inconvenient, and extremely costly. That’s kind of what we’re facing today. This nation is under no obligation to admit people who want to impose an entirely different (and very medieval — or worse) culture upon us.

          • OMG

            Good points. The common good, the common sense, the natural law of St. Thomas rings with clarity for those who wish to hear.

            A pro-immigration stance without restriction will eventually lead to overwhelming anarchy. Some in recent history seem to have interpreted the U.S. constitution’s freedom of religion clause to prohibit any restriction to any proponent of any religion. The extreme stance seems to grant freedom to anyone to do anything, anytime, anywhere, if said acts are done in the name of religion. Is this why some progressive politicians have refused to call terror “Islamic;” ? Have they seen these acts in the name of Alluhu Akbar as somehow licit? Extreme, but somehow in line with what has happened.

          • FRLBJ

            ‘Charity begins at home’ is the guiding principle for Catholics and their bishops. The needs of America take priority over those of foreigners who wish to destroy our culture and our faith. We need security and freedom to practice our faith and live in peace and safety. Most Muslims believe that Sharia law trumps the Constitution. We need to stand up for America. America should indeed be first for us, not some alien and murderous ideology and culture. Look are history and current events to see the destruction wrought by Islam. Poland was pressured by Pope Francis to ‘welcome’ Muslim refugees from Syria. Poland refused citing the need to preserve their own culture. The Czech Republic is also not letting them in.
            People talk about America being a melting pot of various cultures, but that doe snot apply to Islam since they are not willing to obey the Constitution and be respectful and patriotic toward’s America. They should not be allowed in, if they do not respect our laws and culture and are unwilling to tolerate Christianity, the majority faith.

          • OMG

            I totally agree. I didn’t realize our Pope had weighed in on this. What the heck does he mean by ‘welcome’. Shall I give a wave? Send a gift? Seriously. What does he mean? I wonder if he has read Thomas on immigration. Or thought much about the character of interfaith mingling, etc.

            I worry at some of our Pope’s statements….He also has never clarified the Dubia of four cardinals on his own statements about Eucharist and Marriage–heck, any number of us probably could have reiterated church teaching in a blink. It has taken him how long to not answer the doubts? Reason suggests there is a reason for his delay, and reason suggests I may have difficulty accepting that reason.

            God help us all in our lack of charity for one another. May God lead his misled servants to His truth.

          • JoAnna Davignon

            For the most part I usually agree with our pope; yet his recent thoughts on immigration does concern me abit. I’m praying for him as well as for all of us!

          • Jacqueleen

            The people in the USA are the most generous and compassionate people on earth….Just take a look at a Military Cemetery. Pray that God will convert Muslims and pray for the safety and welfare of this country and our president. Then, pray for the False Prophet called Pope Francis.

          • Jacqueleen

            The Catholic Thing just published an article by Hirsi Ali on DAWA. Look it up….You will agree with me that ALL MUSLIMS MUST BE EVICTED AND BANNED FROM RE-ENTRY….That is what Queen Isabella did to save her country, Spain.

          • Flame

            One has to wonder if the progressives (both politicians and citizens) have ever taken a serious look at the teachings of islam before declaring it a “religion of peace” or if they are refusing to call a shovel a shovel because they fear retribution from muslims. I think likely the greatest number of non-muslims who are supporting this invasion are merely ignorant of what this ideology teaches, i.e., “death to the infidel.” In other cases, I suspect that people are simply scared they’ll be targeted if they oppose the ideology.

          • Just_me_and_God

            Mozlems claim Islam as the “Religion of Peace”.
            [True Peace is freely given… it is not forced. Islam is about force!]

            The First problem lies in the Mozlem’s definition of the word “Peace”…

            (1.) “Peace” in Muhammadanism means No more Fitnah in the world. (Disbelievers with the ability to struggle against Islam)
            According to Muhammadanism, “Peace” or ‘Dar al-Salam’ will only be obtained when there is a worldwide Ummah, when the entire world is under the yoke of Islam, either as a ‘believer’ or as a non-believer Dhimmi who pays the Jizyah tax (‘Protection Money’ of 30% annually) or as a slave.

            (2.) The Second problem lies in the fact that: Anyone of any other Muslim Sect are considered to be apostate or ‘murtadeen’ (not really ‘Muslim’). Islam has around 73 different sects remaining in existence, and all of the different sects hate and kill each other and they all make war upon one another because: “They do not believe as we do”.

            (3.) Therefore, the Third problem lies in the fact that, until there is only one remaining Sect, and the entire world is under the oppression of Islam, the so-called “Peace of Islam” is impossible. Nevertheless, even then, there will be the constant “Honor Killings” and other oppressions against women, gays, dhimmis, and slaves. There will still will be men seeking revenge for personal matters, such as a women’s refusal of marriage is often grounds for an acid attack against the woman and even her family, if a man is sufficiently ‘indignant’.

            However as it goes now, and for the last 1400 years, Islam is waging continuous war on the entire world.
            But, in the meantime, they don’t mind themselves coming here, disrespecting OUR Religion and our Constitution and our Laws and our way of life… and murdering us!
            It is a Muhammadan Mafia that masquerades as a religion while engaged in terrorism and genocidal conquest!

          • Jacqueleen

            Look up “DAWA” which was explained in a recent article published by A Catholic Thing. Then, you will know why we are forced to take in thousands of so-called Muslim refugees based upon a red flag operation called, “Fleeing to War.” Obama should be the first target in the up coming revolution. We are at war with Muslims/Islam

          • eric mulvihill

            pope leo the something said just about that in the mid 19th. century. loved by racists for the wrong reason, hated by liberals for the wrong reason. what is this strange english expression “common sense”? from manchester, england, a happy irishman with my only currently valid passport from that republic.

          • Kristine L.

            You mention the restriction of allowing in immigrants, refugees in the 40’s. Do you know that Anne Frank’s family and other defenseless Jews were in that group? In 1940 -1941, Otto Frank tried so hard to find refuge over here. He could speak some English, and even knew an official in the Roosevelt administration. In addition, his brothers in law were here & could vouch for him. Still, it was not good enough, as the Jewish immigrant quotas were the all important thing, and also the overwrought paranoia and hysteria of the times that there might be Commies lurking amongst the Jews, the influx would destroy the economy, etc. . Then, Pearl Harbor Day happened & all applications, including Otto’s were tossed aside. Shameful. Also, there is the story of the St. Louis Manifest, a ship bearing German Jews that came into one of our harbors in 1939, but was forced to sail back to Europe. The boat’s occupants then perished at Auschwitz. Again, absolutely shameful. We do have a moral responsibility to atone for past sins. I for one, do not want to let Anne Frank down this time around.

          • Flame

            No, Kristine, I did not know that Anne Frank’s family sought refuge in the US in the early 40s. Thank you for enlightening me on that bit of history. I do recall the day my parents called me to the living room and told me we were at war, but I was young at the time. I can only assume that the surge of Jews and others who sought to come to the US was just so overwhelming we could not accommodate them all. This gives strong meaning to the adage “war is hell.”

            While I agree with your statement that you do not want to let Anne Frank down this time, what bothers me greatly is that we are not admitting Jews or Christians and other persecuted sects. I have before me an article in Citizen magazine (published by Focus on the Family) that quotes a US State Dept. report that 99% of the 13,210 Syrian refugees admitted to the US in 2016 were muslim and only 0.5% were Christian. Since there is much land in the Middle East where muslims could reside (such as that huge tent city in Saudi Arabia that has something like 1,000 air-conditioned tents sufficient to accommodate over 1 million people — but is only used during the Haj), we should be striving to admit refugees who are not merely trying to escape the ravages of war but those who are specifically threatened with death due to their faith, i.e., Jews, Christians, Yazidis, and several more sects.

            I have studied a good bit about islam, so I am aware of the tenet of that philosophy called “taqiyya” — that it is okay to lie to someone if the lie advances islam. That makes it very difficult for me to trust whether the muslim “refugees” (so many of whom are able-bodied young men — the same as most terrorists) are telling the truth, and it distresses me that we are not getting the persecuted non-muslims out.

          • Kristine L.

            Thanks for your reply, Flame. Good hearing back from you and listening to where you come from. I think it is commendable you have been researching the subject matter at hand. I didn’t know about Taqiya so thanks for enlightening me there. We all have our own ‘libraries’ of gathered information & knowledge, don’t we? The best scenario happens when we respectfully let each other have a turn to share a bit of what’s in our ‘library.’ Also, we have our unique stores of personal life circumstances & experiences which drive our passion for one thing or another. My 93 yr old Dad is a WWII veteran who took part in the DDay Invasion. The play or movie scene where Anne exclaims, “Friends are on the way!” has always had a special, personal effect on me as my dad was one of those ‘friends.’ I guess that’s why I’ve been led to read so much about her over the years. Well, anyway, thanks again for your nicely worded reply.

          • Flame

            Yes, Kristine, I agree totally that it is wonderful to share our “libraries” of info. When I was in HS, I had the great good fortune to be able to work after school a few hours a week in the county’s public library under a saint of a woman. One of the best experiences of my life. I learned so much in that work.

            My thanks to your dad for his service to the nation.

            Even when we occasionally disagree on a subject, it’s certainly much more pleasant to share facts, opinions and reasons why we hold them than to shout and call names as so many do on these blogs. A bit of courtesy and respect goes a long way toward enlightening the other person — or being enlightened — than the nastiness that abounds on the net.

            Good chatting with you.

          • anAmericanByChoice

            AMEN!

          • anAmericanByChoice

            You can also move to a Muslim country and help change things there, Kristine. Or to a commie country and work to change things there. Just don’t let your desire and misguided “charity” and willingness to atone for past sins compromise the lives of your fellow Americans. And by the way, no one, and I mean NO ONE has the obligation to, or capacity, or even can atone for other people’s past sins; you have the obligation to repent and change your ways and sin no more, but only Christ – and that is the reason why He walked this earth and was lifted upon the cross and died for the sins of all mankind – did atone for other people’s sins. You can’t and you won’t, but your misguided good intentions will compromise the safety of this country and American people and those who come here to seek refuge from the likes of Muslim radicals, commie, socialist and fascist twisted souls; and it is because it is so, that the true refugees, the Anne Franks of the world will lose their chance of a better life, because often, the just will pay the price of the sinner, because in these days, confusion is leading many to believe that right is wrong and wrong is right. Be not one of them. Try not to do what you cannot do: atone for the sins of your ancestors. Christ alone is capable of that! Not you, not I, not anyone else. I know you mean well, but please try to see clearly.

          • Jacqueleen

            You must be kidding…..Guest would not stand a chance to remain alive in a Muslim or Commie country. Do you read any of the International News? How many are incarcerated for not becoming a Muslim or for not over throwing their faith? Better advice would be to pray the Rosary for the conversion of Muslims and atheists……it worked for Russia.

          • sherry

            Lady, you had better take a history lesson, and put down your fairy tale! Russia has a long,long history of being a Catholic Nation, and has not fought Islamic religion any more then any other European Country.

          • Jacqueleen

            Miss know it all, could it be that Russia did not allow Muslims to migrate to Russia similarly to Poland and Hungary?

          • sherry

            Wrong again, Eastern Russia is happy for the extra workers.

          • Marie Halligan

            How do YOU know?Evidence please!

          • sherry

            What evidence are you looking for? That Eastern Russia is happy about the Islamic refugees being there for the extra workers? Google it. Even major Media outlets have reported that. Its not a secret and I just thought that most well informed adults would be aware of what is common knowledge. If you have followed world events at all or the world migration from East to West you would know what cultures are thriving and which ones are crumbling. This is not the first time the world has seen mass migration from east to west. One could argue that mass migration was responsible for the fall of Rome. The Church has been through this before, as has Europe. And it is the reason I order this book in the first place. What can I prove to you? I have asked the person I have been chatting with to send me a link a credible link, that the Pope and the Church are Communist, yep this they insist that the Church was infiltrated in the 1920s. I can not find a reasonable article that says so. What do you think Catholicism = Communist I don’t believe it. Do you? Is the worlds Church Communist?

          • Marie Halligan

            It’s no secret now that the RCC has been infiltrated! Our Lady told the children at Fatima that 100 years ago and she warned that Russia would spread her errors,( meaning communism or communist-type ideas such as in cultural Marxism),so,I have no doubt that a nefarious element,whatever they may be called, have infiltrated the RCC, and that they are satanic in nature. I don’t need you to tell me this! What I wanted from you is evidence that Russia is HAPPY for Muslims to migrate there because so far all I can gather is that they will merely TOLERATE them so long as they keep quiet and do not cause any bother,which is not the same as being happy! Finally,YOU are the one who is insisting they are happy,so why should I google it? YOU should be willing to at least give the titles of the articles that back up your arguments!You might get on better if you stopped talking AT us and started talking TO us! Try treating us as if we had a modicum of intelligence please!

          • sherry

            Fool, Russia is profiting from the labor of Islamic immigrants. And again I will post my links and article tonight. I apologize if it appears I am attacking you. I just wanted you or the original person I responded too, that Queen Isabelle of Spain is not an example of how to deal with migration. And 2nd I simple told her when she said as fact that Russia did not have refugees from the Islamic Nation and they do. They are happy, pleased, and is profiting from the Islamic Refugees. And again I will post my links and articles. When you come up with unsubstantiated FACTS that just do not exist, when you deny world history, history of Spain and are not aware of current world event’s but Speaking like you do, like you are in some kind of Authority on Catholicism and World events and are nothing but confused and spouting rhetoric you wish was true, you should not be entertained with any modicum of intelligence. You are a lamb being led to slaughter.

          • Jacqueleen

            Russia is a multi-ethnic and multi-faith nation. Orthodox Christianity is Russia’s largest religion with 75% of the population belonging to the Orthodox Christian denomination. Islam is professed by 5% of the population. Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and Buddhism are professed by 1% of the population each.
            Russia Fast Facts – Population, Flag, Visa, Religion – Master Russian
            masterrussian.com/russia/facts.htm

          • sherry

            Islamic religion is the largest growing religion in the world and Russia is no exception. They are having great trouble there with radical Islamic religions. Right now that poor country and all the loyal Christian and the great Eastern teaching of Catholicism is in serious trouble due to possible government sanctions. You see they are dealing with the Islamic radical that they, like all of Europe invited in. Pray for Russia. pray the rosary for a nation that has a long history in Catholicism. They Russia, truly believed at one time that they were keepers of the faith. And they surely were for a time. Oh and by the way the source you cited, the link you send me is very old from 2010. Our world is in a lot of pain right now and your insights are not doing Christ testimony any justice at all. You are seriously misleading the teachings of Christ, and you know absolutely nothing of Catholicism great traditions. Or even the simple history of the Church. No more insights please.

          • Marie Halligan

            That is actually not the case and recent research that is not biased either towards Islam nor the cultural Marxist agenda shows the exact opposite! Islam is in crisis because Muslims are apsotasising en masse and the imans are panicing! I smell troll!

          • sherry

            Wow! What research? Islam is and has been the fastest growing religion in the world. I haven’t checked lately but it was the third leading religion in the world as well as the fastest growing. And again I was invited to this discussion when I order a book. And again, I have not seen or have I read anything about mass apostasy of the Islamic religion, if I must I will show you just the opposite they are world over and soon they will not be a minority.

          • Marie Halligan

            There is plenty on the internet from non-Islamic sources that say that Islam IS dying and much of it comes from Christian sources so if they are lying, they are SINNING! Sure why don’t you do what you tole ME to do and GOOGLE it?! All the info that supports the idea that it is the fastest growing that I have read so far, is from Islamic sources or cultural Marxist ones, which makes me think it’s just taqiyya and a form of psychological weapon to make non-muslims feel demoralised! If it DOES turn out to be true well,like all Christians I am called to stay loyal to Christ no matter what so in a way,I’m not bothered for myself because I will NEVER become a muslim! It’s
            other people,particularly my descendants, who I am worried for and if this idea is false as I think it is,it needs to be squashed so people can keep their morale up. Hope is a powerful virtue and weapon against evil and should not be underestimated!

          • sherry

            Oh boy, You are very confusing, 1) You really are mistaken on several issue’s. I will when I have time later tonight list several links and article that not be Marxist or lying Christians. 2) Never once did I say that our Nation is not in trouble with Islamic rhetoric and doctrines making it in to our schools and Governments Executive branch, Legislative branch, as well as our Judicial branch. Islamic Shari’a law in America is outrageous and will only be stopped if Americans take back our National Identity. When in this Country schools insist it is good and lawful to teach the 5 pillars of Islam in public schools while at the same time forbidding American students saying the Pledge of A ligeance to our American flag. So how you can in the same breath say Islam is a dying religion and worry about your decedent’s Constitutional Rights in America at the same time. Hope is a Virtue for sure but there isn’t any protection in it or is Hope a weapon. But knowledge ,Wisdom, and the Constitution of America is. So what is it. Is Islamics is a dying religion sensationalized by Marxist or is Islam a danger to the Sovereignty of our Country. Please make yourself clear. Because I don’t know what your saying.

          • Jacqueleen

            You are the one who does not know your faith or history. Russia may have been a Christian country but certainly not Roman Catholic….Remember, it had no religion for many years under Communism. Kindly keep your negative and degrading remarks to yourself. Calling names and insulting people is not flattering.

          • sherry

            You talk so talked so foolish I couldn’t help myself. Also I never said it was Roman Catholic, but I did say Eastern Catholicism. It was Communist for several decades, however Constantine established the early Catholic Church there in the third century I believe. In the ninth century there was a terrible upheaval in Roman, Some how the world gained three Popes. And so Eastern Catholicism came into being. Different in some ways from Roman Catholicism, but still Catholicism. You have been giving false and misleading information, about Russia and the Church. You are advocating genocide for those who disagree with you. And using Spain as a example to follow. You said Russia refused immigrants and they did not. You are the negative one, you are calling for worldwide hate and using Christ and his Church to promote it. You wrong, wrong wrong!!! And probably the reason we are in a world if hurt now. So stop it.

          • Jacqueleen

            You ramble on with insults left and right are you a Christian or an atheist? I never advocated genocide that is your fanaticism. I said isolation which would keep them together and not bombing, killing or maiming innocent people around the world. They cannot dominate the world period! You have a hard time with understanding what you are reading….don’t bother to respond because I have had enough of your problems and besides, I do not dialogue with Satan.

          • sherry

            Yes you said they should be insolated and a lot of other things as well. You held Queen Isabelle of Spain as an example to follow, and I just simply pointed out that she is guilty of mass genocide. Also you erroneously claimed Russia did not allow Islamic refugees in and they did. Just corrected you. It is Angola in Africa that outlawed Islam and are tearing down the Mosques there. Also I am a Christian, raised Catholic, converted Baptists and attend the Assembly Of God to Worship, it is a full scripture doctrine. However I am non denominational. But I am a Holy Ghost filled follower of Christ. I never called you Satan, but would like to remind you what scripture says about leading his flock a stray. It would be better they had not been born. Also what soever you say against God will be forgiven what is said about Christ will be forgiven, but what so ever is said against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this world or the next. I have been honest and truthful and would not have bothered with you, but people were responding in agreement to your post and you were just so wrong and mean. If you post disagreeable statements just be clear on what your saying and knowledgeable on the subject. Least someone makes you look the fool.

          • Marie Halligan

            You didn’t say Eastern Catholicism,you just said Catholic! You should have been specific and you should admit it when you have been caught in a mistake instead of lying about it! Sure, can’t we all read what you said! You are starting to sound like a troll!

          • sherry

            Listen lady I found this site because I order a book, I have always had a love for Catholicism and a keen interest in it. But I personally can’t not practice it. Not my rules yours! It is a shame that you would be OK with one person defamatory statements against the Church because why? (are you so sure she’s Catholic?) And my simple statements of personal experience with purgatory? Just love Catholic that do not even know what or why they practice what they do. I have not spoken not once against the Church here or anywhere. And For the record the Catholic Church is not a democracy! Queen Isabelle of Spain manipulated the Church into the Inquisition! It was genocide! And Russia has Islamic immigrants just like all of Europe! And that is what all this is about!!

          • Marie Halligan

            If you don’t want to be a Catholic that’s fine,it’s your choice but there’s no point giving out to us that you don’t like the doctrine or agree with Puragtory,we are the Laity,we don’t decide doctrine! How do you know none of us know why we believe things?Yes we are to be obedient but that doesn’t mean we never bother to find out the whys and wherefores of doctrine,or that we just follow blindly! That’s very patronising and arrogant of you to imply that! There would be plenty on this forum who could answer questions,if they were asked politely and in a genuine attempt to understand but they are probably disinclined because you are coming across as aggressive and a bit rude! This makes me feel you don’t actually want to understand,you just want to give out and have a go at people-ranting at people just puts backs up!

          • sherry

            No you are so wrong, and I do understand believe it or not. I have the greatest respect of Catholicism. I even love your Church. I just am very sensitive to people that are Catholic and have no appreciation of the History, not only of the Church but of the great men and women who have nurtured her and loved her. You have so many greatest in your hall of the great, and their sacrifice is taken for granted by modern day Catholics. Also Catholics just aren’t aware of the true Saints. I have so many books on the Saints, the stories of old. A great injustice has been to these heroes of Christ, because the stories of the Saints at least the old books, just aren’t factual. But the true history of those is all but lost. And they were torn to piece, they were sawed in two, they were burned and all but destroyed for their testimony of Christ and his Church. The Sacraments, the Virtues, oh and so much more are lost on too many Catholics of this this age. When I hear some of the stuff I have read from Catholics on this page I am shocked. Advocating for Queen Isabelle of Spain. Claiming things in current events that just aren’t true. Why aren’t you more offended by a true Catholic inciting people to kill, steal and destroy in the name of Christ and his Church. And the things this woman has said about your Church and Pope. The Catholic Church is in an incredible amount of trouble, Catholics the world over are in pain. Catholicism has the whole world accusing her. Its time to pray its time to put your best foot forward, and do what Catholics do best and that has always been to love as God loved, Christ gave his Church a huge responsibly and that is to Shepard his people, to guide, and nature his people and you guys are really dropping the ball right now. Especially if you, I believe you are sincere would rather attack me for not being Catholic and me having the nerve to correct a Catholic who was intentionally misleading people with their personal misguided beliefs on World events and the Church. Also I too have heard the rumors going on for several years now, I too am very concerned but I am withholding my judgement until the verdict is in on the Arch Bishop in Australia. Mean while I pray and pray and pray, for the Church, the Pope and a world in crisis. We the world will never be the same after this massive world migration ever, but what a time to be Christian never have we been persecuted since the very early Church. It is so important that Christians remain Christ like, We are the Saints of today and the Church will be preserved, Christ has foreordained it. But we must be Christ like. Do not speak I’ll against the Pope, or the Church because she will stand and she will be the Bride of Christ without spot or blemish. That also is foreordained. Be angry but do not sin. And you shouldn’t be angry with me but rather the Catholic that believes she should correct Gods Church, criticised the Pope and truly had lost her way, she was purposely lying and still is spewing froth here wikipedia propaganda. Please read the links I have sent you. Because there is a war going on, only it is happening in high places and not one of flesh and blood but of principalities not of this world. So perhaps God is separating the wheat from tares, one for good use and one to burn.

          • Madonna

            This is based on the subject and not directed at anyone. LISTEN TO THE POPE. St. Thomas is a wonderful saint, but he lived a long time ago. The world has changed very much. St. Thomas would say without a doubt to obey Pope Francis, and that can’t be disputed. Satan comes to divide and conquer. Unity is what’s needed, not name calling. Don’t fall into Satan’s trap. ” They will KNOW we are Christians by our love.” Fear is the root cause of people not wanting or accepting people from other countries. Fear of not having enough for themselves and their family. Fear of not being able to have more. Fear of change. Fear of having neighbors that are different from them and not understanding them. The pride of the American people could lead to the result of all their fears. America is an incredible country, but I’m a Christian Catholic BEFORE I am an American citizen (by birth). America is not the best country in the world. America is the most blessed country in the world, and we are called to share our bounty with others. We don’t own America, God does. It is not our land, it is God’s. We have no right to dictate who can come here. We have laws and jails for those who can’t behave no matter what country they come from.

          • sherry

            Please go back to my original statement to jacqueleen you will see I most defiantly wrote Eastern Russia, being Eastern Catholicism and Roman Catholicism was the subject. You I believe might be the troll, my dear.

          • sherry

            Again go back and read what I wrote because I told Jacqueleen it was Eastern Russia, also I can not find where I said would post my non Marxists or hateful Christians links to my statements about Islam being the fastest growing religion in the world. I have a couple links about Russia and immigration and the economy. And a link about the decline of Christianity around the world. RUSSIA WORKING ISLAMIC IMMIGRANTS.
            http://www.nationalinterest.org Aug 10, 2014 by Mary Elizabeth Malinkin. RUSSIA and ISLAM, money, religion growing. Aug 8 2016. By Denis Sokoloh. http://www.newsweek.com. Islam FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD. March 16 2017. http://www.BBC.com/news/av/world-39279631/Islam – the-world-s-growing-religion. And CHRISTIANITY SLOW GROWING July 23 2017 http://www.telegraph.co.UK and last but not least DECLINE OF CHRISTIANITY. http://www.pewrearch.org by Conrad Hackett and somebody Mcclender. And it was publishes April 5 2017. Happy Reading. Knowledge is protection, Wisdom is Defense, and The Constitution of the USA is a weapon.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ONLY GAVE YOU THE BIBLE

          • Tom

            It is not clear if you are a Catholic or a protestant. Either way, your declaration on us not being under any obligation to suffer for others is totally wrong and contrary to scripture.

            Colossians 1:24-“Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.”

            As Christians, and more specifically, as Catholics, it has always been our tradition to do penance for the salvation of others’ souls in joining this mystical suffering of Christ so that God may make a little miracle and bring a lost sheep back to the fold. So yes, there IS a precedent for joining Christ in His atonement for the sins of the world. This forms the basis for the sufferings of many of the saints throughout the ages, many of which were afflicted with terrible ailments throughout their lives before leaving this earth. Protestants in their dogmatic selfishness have effectively divorced themselves from this very biblical precept just to get away with their own shamelessness and self-indulgence and the likes of you have now been brainwashed into becoming a wannabe prot following in their damning footsteps. You should ALWAYS be mindful of past mistakes that your ancestors may’ve made because it is only by analyzing the mistakes of the past that you will learn not to make them yourself and like it or not, discounting an entire group of people as disease-ridden pests on account of a few bad apples (and there are bad apples in the Muslim world, downright rotten, worm-infested apples) is a mistake. Learn to use your judgement as to who is evil and who is not. Applying the mentality that you and your cohorts express on this forum is no different to a madman with advanced technology saying “all humans are trouble-makers, let’s exterminate Homo sapience off of the face of the earth.”
            God gave you and me a brain. Use it.

          • sherry

            Dear Tom, As a Catholic you should be ever mindful of your history. For years and years throughout history Catholic have done just that, “discounting an entire group of people as disease – ridden pest” and not because of a few bad apples ether, but simply because they (those poor afflicted Saints you spoke of) didn’t care for their Religion, Creed, or Race. As a professed Catholic you can not forget the legacy of those self less Saints you mentioned, the Inquisition and mass genocide. Mystical sufferings of Christ so that God could make a little miracle and bring a lost sheep back into the fold!? Did you really write that? Christ sufferings on the Cross was to reconcile the world to God. Its a gift of salvation from Christ to God that God might still gaze upon his greatest creation Mankind. Those Saints can offer nothing to this magnificent gift. Love the Lord God with all your heart, all your soul, and everything within you. You know the bible talks about bearing your affliction as Christ bore his, giving thanks to God in all things. The sufferings of all the Saints in the world can do nothing more for me then to encourage me to be brave and stand strong for the works of Christ in this worldly life. As they have done in their own. Please do not think for even one second you can save anyone’s soul through your personal sufferings. Only Christ could do that. But your claims that you or any Saint could, reminds me of Moses (the one who talked face to face with God) He lost the promise land, never to leave the desert, he could only look from afar. Do you remember why? Because when he hit that rock in the desert with his staff, he claimed that it was he that brought water from the stone. He tried to claim God glory as his own. And he did not enter the promised land. Be careful when claiming Gods works as your own. There is no biblical precept that allows for Saint as you and Catholicism describe. These Saints would probably be mortified if they knew what Catholicism has done to their sacrifice of love for Christ sake. See what make’s them Saints is that they walked humbly with their God looking after orphans and widows in their time of need. Not because they were mighty men, but because they were humble and served Gods people in Christ name, through the power of the Holy Ghost. As you cautioned early it is only by analysing the mistakes of the past to ensure you that you do not make them your self. God not only gave me a brain, and the Holy Bible to use it on but the Holy Spirit to guide me, and 100s of thousands of Saints before me to encourage me. Wisdom comes from God and you do not seem wise, or Godly.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE ONLY CORRECT AND TRUE CHURCH LAID DOWN BY JESUS CHRIST .

          • sherry

            Jesus Christ himself taught that you can tell a tree by its fruit. Again, Catholics everywhere cringe when they see you coming. Because you are rotten, spoiled, and not for any good use. Do Catholicism a favour stop advocating for them. Have you considered praying? Maybe your callings and gifts can be found there. Because you are a horrible witness to Christ and the great Church he established.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            JESUS CHRIST DID NOT TELL ME TO RESPECT POTATO EYES gods .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EXISTED EVEN BEFORE THE BIBLE WAS COMPILED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN 393 AD .

          • sherry

            The key word you used compiled. And Your date is wrong though I haven’t checked lately it was compiled much later. However the letters (that is the Gospels of the New Testament) Had been in circulation within a 100 years of Christ Resurrection. And you should really look into what the word Catholic or Catholicism means. And again it was not called Catholic in the early years of the Church. Sorry dummy

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GOT TOGETHER AND COMPILED THE BIBLE IN 393 AD AND DECIDED WHICH BOOKS NEED TO BE INCLUDED AND WHICH BOOKS NEED TO BE EXCLUDED . THE FACT IS THAT THE BIBLE ITSELF SHOULD NOT EXIST , BUT IT EXISTS AND THE CHURCH WHO GAVE YOU THE BIBLE ITSELF SHOULD NOT EXIST BUT IT DOES EXIST . SO IT IS ONLY THROUGH DIVINE POWER THE WORD OF GOD HAS GOT PRESERVED FOR 2000 YEARS EVEN AFTER ALL THE PERSECUTIONS AND WARS TILL THIS DAY .

          • sherry

            It is through divine power of God that Gods Word has been preserved for 3500 years! Alexander the Great destroyed thousands upon thousands of manuscripts from around the ancient world. And so many after him. As I said earlier the books of the Gospel were written within 100 years of Christ resurrection. The earliest of these at about 45 years after the resurrection. Now there were many writings in the first century and many heretical writings were circulating among the young Church. So the early Church Fathers got together to decide which books were inspired by the Holy Spirit. 31 books (or letters what ever you chose to call them)31 books were considered out of literally thousands circulating. Out of 31 letters considered 27 were chosen. These books were chosen because the books were in agreement with each other and the old Testament. Now because the early Church Fathers complied these Works of God together in no way means the Catholic Church wrote the bible. There are 44 authors in the Bible it is ancient, the oldest books before there was a written language. They were stories and songs handed down from generation to generation.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            So if you are only a Bible believing ‘Christian’ and believe only in the Bible then you need to first prove that the Church who gave you the Bible is true . this is the problem that No heretic would take upon themselves

          • sherry

            Heretic OK, any way a Christian Catholic or Protestant doesn’t have to prove anything. I only need to believe, Its called Faith. If you were Christian or Catholic you wouldn’t talk so foolish.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            if you Believe the Bible is true then you need to believe in the Church who passed down the Oral tradition for over 300 years AD and wrote the Bible should also be true . Without the Catholic Church you would have NO Bible .

          • sherry

            Just not true. The Bible was in circulation for a long time. The early Church compiled it but they did not write it. It is the Living Word of God. Trust me God would have gotten it to us. As a matter of fact they the Catholic Church tried to keep the Bible for themselves. But thanks to Luthers Reformation and the printing press we have the Bible in mass.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            the Bible was distributed in parts and pieces all over the world . it
            was the Bishops at Rome who collected the Books and decided which books
            to include and which books to keep out . Luther should have gone and
            done the same ..collected his own Books and compiled the stupid
            Protestant Bible for the heretics to read .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            and who made the circulated books as a single book called the Bible ?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            The Crescent moon under her feet represents ‘ISLAM’ she will crush along with that Serpent who is the father of all lies and heresies she will ‘CRUSH’ . At the end the Immaculate heart of Mary will triumph !

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            NOT ONLY BELIEVE BUT FOLLOW THE SACRAMENTS ALSO . THIS IS REQUIRED TO TAKE YOU TO HEAVEN .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            IT WAS THE ORAL TRADITION THAT WAS PRESERVED AND THIS WAS MADE INTO A BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE . THE SAME ORAL TRADITION THAT WAS PASSED DOWN FROM THE APOSTLES . SINCE THE APOSTLES KNEW THEY WOULD DIE , THEY FOUND IT IMPORTANT TO WRITE DOWN ON PAPER . AND THIS IS THE SAME BIBLE THAT WAS COMPILED IN 393 AD BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND GIVEN TO THE WORLD SO THAT THE SAME WORD DOES NOT GET INTERPRETED IN DIFFERENT MEANINGS AS TIME GOES BY .

          • Sherry Findley

            Why don’t you know Jesus was fully Man and fully God? Why do you think Jesus just represented Man? How do you not know who Jesus was? Did you know because Christ left his Glory and took on the flesh of Man he elevated the human race to the greatest honor and glory of his whole Creation. Did you know that when Christ was on the Cross all of the Celestial beings watched intensely. See they didn’t know the Salvation plan either, all Creation tremble, the sky darken, all Creation moaned and the curtain ripped onto two, Giving the world access to God and the Holy of Holies. Also I would like to point out that the Gospels are broken into several different areas. You have the teachings and parables of Jesus recorded after the Resurrection by his closest Apostle, You then have the Epistles and they are actual letters mostly by Apostle Paul to different Churches, they edified the good they were doing, and they were correcting the young Christians when they in error of Christ teaching. Then you have the Apostle John’s Account in Revelation. So please tell me why you do not know about the Divinity Jesus? Or at least tell me why you believe Christ just represented Man? And not wholly God and wholly Man. I no longer believe you are Catholic or Christian.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ is God who came to earth to give brains to the mortal man . Dont you have a body and Spirit ? are they one or different? So if you call your body as your name the same name applies to the Spirit . they are one . but without the Spirit the body is DEAD ! . but not the body Of Jesus Christ .

          • sherry

            Firstly the Soul and Spirit are separate, the Soul is you what makes you, you. The Spirit is of God given to Christians at their Baptism. God created man from dust, he then breathed the breathe of Life into him, creating a Spiritual being, created in the image of God. My body is separate from my soul, my body will return to the earth from which it came and my soul to God. And there are many, many bodies alive with soul but no Spirit. You get the Spirit of God when you believe God. Baptism is the washing away of original sin, and you are given to God then.But every soul must decide who they will serve.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ was not created from dust and he will not go to the dust

          • sherry

            Now your just ridiculous. Christ is Resurrected and sitting at the right hand of God. He will never see corruption. Jesus Christ is Fully Human a d Fully God.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            and his flesh is real flesh . and his blood is real blood .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            now Were the angels human flesh and blood who met the prophets ? So who
            created them? They looked like men so do you mean they were made from
            the same material like dust that man is made of ?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            WERE THE ANGELS WHO VISITED THE PROPHETS MADE FROM EARTH LIKE THE MORTAL MEN?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I know Jesus Represented man because Jesus is the Christ and not made from dust like the Mortal man . His flesh was flesh touch , feel , etc , but was not the same flesh like the mortal mans flesh and blood .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THERE WOULD BE NO BIBLE IF THERE WERE NO GATHERING OF THE BISHOPS AND COMPILING THE BIBLE . YOU HAVE THE BIBLE IN WRITTEN FORM BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY TO WRITE DOWN THE ORAL TRADITION .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Catholic means universal . and hence we have total 24 Catholic Rights around the world . The Roman Right is the majority 98 % rest are Eastern Right . There are 24 autonomous churches: one Latin Church and twenty-three Eastern Catholic Churches, a distinction by now more historical than geographical. The term sui iuris
            means, literally, “of its own law”, or self-governing. Although all of
            the particular churches espouse the same beliefs and faith, their
            distinction lies in their varied expression of that faith through their
            traditions, disciplines, and canon law. All are in communion with the Holy See.

          • sherry

            My ,my you actually found a current Authority on Catholicism, and I am happy you read it. But I do not believe it is approved of by either Catholicism Eastern or Roman. Also it is proper to credit your source if you quote them word for word. Especially you, because I believe you are Islamic and are quoting some Muslium explantion of Catholicism. Can you tell me those things you wrote, what does it mean? However good that all sounds you are still mistaken. If you think the difference in Eastern Catholicism and Roman Catholicism is historical or geographical there are bigger differences then that, although they are both Catholicism. Catholicism means United, Unity. Not universals. Though it is a Universal Congregation. Keep studying your getting it.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            The Catholic Church Brought together the the Books spread out around the world and made a single Book called the Bible . The Catholic Church is universal because it united the eastern and the western rites . You need to study how the Catholic Church was formed . Just blabbering nonsense

          • sherry

            The Catholic Church is Universal. But Catholicism means united. I have studied early Christians, I’ve studied early Catholicism. I have studied ancient history, the dark ages, the middle ages. I have studied ancient wars fare and modern warfare. I know World history extremely well. If you want to study the beginning of Catholicism look no further the Constantine. And I have study him a great deal. See the differences between you and myself is that I know what I believe and why I believe it. I also know what I practice and why I practice what I do. You read about early Catholicism because you are clueless. And I already have and I am not wrong. Are you Islamic pretending to be a Catholic? Are you reading Muslim explanation of Catholicism? Because your digging a deeper hole and really looking bad.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I have understood the different religions of the world and find that the Catholic Church is the only correct Church and faith to follow ..rest are bogus .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            so the Catholic Church is the universal Church laid down by Jesus Christ

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I DO NOT REQUIRE A NUTCASE HERETIC LIKE YOU TEACHING ME ABOUT MY FAITH . THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EXISTED EVEN BEFORE YOU HERETICS TURNED UP INTERPRETING YOU OWN FALSE DOCTRINES AND FORMING THOUSANDS OF NEW CHURCHES DAILY . IDIOTS LIKE YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT IN HEAVEN THERE WILL BE NO DIVISIONS AND ONLY THE CORRECT CHURCH TEACHINGS WILL SURVIVE

          • anAmericanByChoice

            Flame, you are absolutely right: invasion is the right word. And there are numerous videos available on the internet, of Muslims stating that their ultimate objective is to take over the world in a few generations, by an increase in numbers, because in Europe, North America, etc., less and less children are being born of Christian families, and other non-Muslim families, so eventually, if immigrants keep invading non-Muslim countries, they will take over, using the democratic process as their ultimate weapon. There is a reason why the US of A is NOT a democracy but a REPUBLIC! Yes, the US of A is under NO OBLIGATION to admit anyone who wants not to integrate, and uphold Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, but take away lives, pervert Liberty, and for ever become an obstacle to the pursuit of happiness! So, I agree with you, even “peaceful” people can, with time, prove to be the domestic enemies all patriots must fight off to protect America.

          • Flame

            Amen, ABC.

          • Jacqueleen

            The solution is to evict EVERY MUSLIM and send them to a tent or cave in the desert in the Middle East and then, BAN THEM FROM RE-ENTRY. This is what they deserve….to be isolated from civilization where the uncivilized belong…This method was used by Queen Isabella of Spain to save her country….She knew exactly why the Muslims were entering her country. Smart lady…AMERICA IS ASLEEP.

          • Tom

            Also keep in mind, there was a time in America’s very recent history when Catholics were viewed as vile filth as well hell-bent on turning over the USA to Rome (recall the Know Nothing Party and the Ku Klux Klan). This was an established mentality in America and the likes of all you protestant-leaning buffoons who cling to the label of Catholic would’ve had all your houses, businesses and even churches burned to the ground and yourselves abused in the streets by mobs of “patriotic” Americans wishing to “save” America from the invaders of the “popish” religion who worship Mary as a goddess. You think Catholic-minded people like Queen Isabella of Spain have been welcome in this country with open arms? Ever heard of Jack Chick? Robert Jefress? John Hagee? These are all present people who speak blasphemies against the Church and her teachings and who make their money poisoning the minds of fools like everyone on this forum pouring hate and enmity into their feeble minds as they do with Muslims. Yes there are some Muslims who are very bad people and they must be stopped, but to say that all are evil is tantamount to saying that all members of your family are rotten and should be kicked out of America just because of a foolish act an ancestor of yours may’ve committed. The Romans were invaders indeed in the land of Christ and even Christ himself had no qualms in curing the child of Cornelius without a profession of faith of Christ as his “personal lord and savior” as you protestant-washed sell-outs are tooting here. Those who sought Christ’s mercy and charity received it and Christ himself said “blessed are the merciful, for they will obtain mercy.” You obviously have never even heard of the Beatitudes. Some Christian. A Catholic is bound by the teachings of the Catechism and pronouncements on faith and morals by the pope and bishops ex-cathedra-Aquinas is neither and you twisting what the man actually said, exaggerating what he actually said and then elevating these exaggerations as some sort of hidden Church dogma is downright disgraceful and pathetic. You know full well how Christ treated his enemies and what He Himself told Peter who hacked off Malchus’ ear with a sword: those who live by the sword, will die by the sword. These were among the last and parting words Christ told the disciples. Don’t bring destruction to our nation or to your own immortal soul by neglecting what the savior said in favor of the worship of your own twisted hate which you know full well deep inside your black heart to be wrong and contrary to what the Church has taught as official dogma.

          • Jacqueleen

            @Tom
            For your information, Jesus has a place called Purgatory for purification of the soul and a place called Hell for those who refuse to accept His Mercy. Both are places of isolation, temporary and permanent.
            Therefore, sending the uncivilized to an isolated place until such time that they decide to be civilized at which time they will be converted to the truth, Christianity or to remain uncivilized and in a tent or cave for the rest of their lives is the best solution. It follows in God’s footsteps.

          • sherry

            Purgatory is not in the scriptures. And does not follow Gods footsteps. You speak so much of history and queen Isabella of Spain. You must also know she used the Catholic Church for one of the largest genocides in history. The inquisition was very limited and seldom used before Queen Isabella and Spain, but after spread throughout Europe. Creating Catholicism as the longest and most famous genocides in history. You sure you want to go there again?

          • Jacqueleen

            I had answered this ridiculous comment and obviously it was not published. Here goes again. The word “Purgatory was not in the vocabulary of the early church fathers so it was not mentioned in the Bible. However, Purgatory is a state of purification, an isolation if you will, and purification is mentioned about 11 times in the Bible. As for the Inquisition, you are totally wrong…Listen to Father Mitch Pacwa of EWTN speak the truth about the Inquisition and not what heretics wrote about it. Your opinion does not cut it.

          • sherry

            I really doubt that World history is wrong. I doubt the the history of Queen Isabella of Spain is wrong, nor is the history of the mass migration from Spain of the Converso, the Jews, the Gypsy and Muslims. As a matter of fact that whole thing started because Spain insisted the Jews convert to Catholicism, they did but then were accused for being heretic. The Catholic Church has something called the Apologists. It is a very long and interesting explanation Roman Catholicism doctrine, already read it. But it does nothing to change my mind about the horrible history of the Spanish Inquisition of Queen Isabelle of Spain. Besides I believe that every time you meet Christ in in this life and you change your ways because of that Spiritual encounter you are being purified and sanctified by the consuming purifying fire of God. And in no way believe in purgatory. Scripture teaches when you die your body return’s to dust and your Spirit returns to God for Judgements. I care very little what you think of my opinion, how ever when I first responded to your post your suggesting and claiming things that just aren’t true. And your facts just don’t cut it. So keep on posting your foolishnesses you just look like a uneducated opinionated hateful woman that lines the sound of her own voice. No more.

          • Jacqueleen

            Are you paid by the word to write such nonsence? If you are not Catholic, what are you doing on a Catholic site? Must be that you are paid to be ridiculous and cause another hit on this site. If you were smart, you would re-discover the Catholic Church, the church that Christ began…and you would stay away from all of the heretical off shoots. I’m done.

          • sherry

            I know so much about Catholicism because I was raised Catholic, and I wanted to return went to classes for Catholics returning home series, anyway… I just couldn’t get past graven images, veneration of the Saints or Catholic Grace. I love the sacraments, Traditions, I practices personally the virtue in my walk continually in studies and practice to be closer to Christ. So I really do know. I have many Catholic friends and family. I even go to Catholic Confession because I do believe in the Sacrament, Out of respect for the Church, knowing better, I do not take the Sacraments of Communion though I would really like to. So in another post you insisted that its the peoples job to correct the clergy. Unless you have taken Holy Orders your self. The Clergy could care less what you think. It is not Democracy! They tell you what’s what and how its going to be. Like it or lump it. The Clergy of Catholicism could care less of what you approve of and what you don’t. You are embarrassing your Parish Priest.

          • Marie Halligan

            Theseare your beliefs and you are entitled to them but Purgatory is part of the the Catholic faith so if you don’t like our faith and deny what the Church set up by Christ Himself teaches, tell me, why are you on a Catholic forum about the essay of a saint who is one of the foremost theologians of the R.C.C.? Is it to cause trouble and arguments? If not, please stop telling Catholics on this forum that their faith is wrong,it’s insulting and uncharitable to stir things like that.We will never agree with you so apart from trying to upset and offend us, what are you actually at??

          • sherry

            Not once did I say that Catholicism or Catholic were wrong. Please follow this post to my original comment to Jacklyn on Queen Isabella and Spain. And erroneous comments about Russia. Also I am arguing this very moment with this writer who has made such statements ” its the peoples job to correct the clergy”! My statement was Catholicism is not Democracy! so if you want to support someone one who thinks again I quote ” we should follow the example of Queen Isabelle of Spain ” My comments to that is she Queen Isabella of Spain used the Inquisition and the Church to commit mass genocide. You as a Catholic certainty do not want to support that do you?

          • sherry

            Never said your Faith was wrong, just that she was wrong for suggesting the Church, your Church follow Queen Isabelle of Spain’s example. And I am very sorry my personal experience with your purgatory brothers you more then a fellow Catholic inciting Hate as an option to the worlds migration problems. I do not care whether you agree with me or not. I have a responsibility as a human being and to Humanity to speak out against a bully who would incite decent people Gods, people to Hate. Catholic generally aren’t a hateful or stupid group of people. In fact Catholic’s are the most loving and caring of religions. Nobody is hungry, naked, or without shelter when their is a bona fide Catholic around. And Catholics are generally the most intelligent people, you have to be to sincerely practice Catholicism. So it particularly bothers me when I run across two really hateful and ignorant women. Trying to claim they are practicing, knowledgeable Catholics speaking about a world crisis. You disgust me, my Faith and my intelligence even more then that crazy Jacqueleen highjacking the Church to perpetuate fear in Gods people. While pretending to offer viable solutions to the current world events. I wish I was paid by the word. You two do need the Catechism first, a history book second and above all a brain. Ah and good luck with that.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            WHO SAID PURGATORY IS NOT IN THE SCRIPTURES ? ST.PAUL SAYS THAT NOTHING UNCLEAN CAN ENTER HEAVEN . SO HEAVEN SHOULD BE EMPTY THEN BY LOGIC . SO EVERY SOUL NEEDS TO PAY FOR ALL DEEDS AND THEN ONLY CAN ENTER HEAVEN . IT IS LIKE WASHING . MORE DIRT THE MORE CLEANING IS REQUIRED . SO SIN LESS .

          • sherry

            I would like scripture and verse from ST. Paul on purgatory. And then please tell me why Christ went to the cross if not to wash a way sin? Why did God need Christ slain from the foundation of the world. His only begotten Son, to restore mankind to himself? Didn’t the Sacrificial Blood of Jesus Christ crucified wash away the sins of those who believe? So if mankind, the soul of mankind needed further washing before entrance into heaven why did Christ summit to the Cross? Why did he lay down his life and pick it up again, if not to cleanse way the Sin of humanity? Why is Heaven full right now? What did ST Paul say about about purgatory again? Could be I know what Paul wrote about conquering sin? Could it be I might know what Paul wrote on Salvation? Could it be I know what Paul said about Christ Crucified? Could it be I know what Paul says about entering Heaven? Could it be your blabbering idiot? Again Catholics cringe at your testimony, you expose your lack of education both secular and Catholicism better teachings. You sound like one of those foolish gossiping old women ST Paul warned about.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            NO ONE CAN ENTER HEAVEN WITHOUT PROPER CLEANING . ST.PAUL SAYS THAT NOTHING SINFUL CAN ENTER HEAVEN . SO LIKE GOLD IS PURIFIED IN FIRE SO ALL SOULS NEED TO BE PURIFIED AND ONLY CATHOLICS GO TO HEAVEN

          • sherry

            That is why you have this gift called life. If you want to do anything for God or Christ you better do it now. God writes “my people perish for lack of knowledge” trials and tribulations in this life the things you do in private,the things you do in the open the way you treat people you meet, the words from your mouth and the works of your hands, the conditions of your heart and your own personal relationship with Christ is your chance at purifying your soul. Gods people Perish for lack of knowledge. And Nobody can keep me from Christ because he still would have died, for all the same reason he did for just me. If I was the only sinner in all Creation Christ would have gone to the cross any way just for me. Do you think really really think I am going to perish? You do not know my God his Word his Sacrifice or his Grace if you believe for even one second anyone but Christ himself claim me as his own. He defeated Lucifer himself and eternal death for those who would believe. You Catholics better move over up there because those crazy Charismatics are coming, and those praying Baptist too and what about the Jews for Christ. While your spending time in purgatory all the best spot are being taken up by forgiven sinners falling on the Grace of a God that came for me.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            ONLY THE HOLY EUCHARIST CAN TAKE YOU TO HEAVEN AND CONFESSION . ALL MORTAL SINS HAVE TO BE PAID HERE ON EARTH OR AFTER DEATH .

          • sherry

            According to Holy Scripture there is only one sin and one sin only that will not be forgiven in this world or the next. Do not discredit Gods Holy Spirit. Do not claim what the Holy Ghost does as evil or Satan or the Holy Spirits work as your own do not even speak against Gods Holy Ghost, it will not be forgiven ever!! The Eucharist is life, the Eucharist is re confirming your Baptism, The Holy Eucharist strengthens you against temptation and evil,the Holy Eucharist heals you when your sick. The Holy Eucharist is life. But you can get to heaven without it, loosing it hurts very badly. But if you take it unlawfully it is sickness and death. So please be careful, you who is so unforgiving, so unmerciful so unkind.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            there are 2 types of Sin ..Mortal and Venial . Mortal sins cannot be forgiven . Venial sins are forgiven .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THE EUCHARIST IS REAL BODY AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST . WITHOUT THE EUCHARIST YOUR SOUL IS DEAD .

          • sherry

            What about Baptism? Your Soul is not dead without the Eucharist. The Eucharist is the Body, Soul and Divinity of Christ. And it is Life its self, beneficial to make one Spiritually Strong, to keep the body healthy, strengthens the Flesh against temptation, and more but you can get to heaven without it. Like a man escaping the flames. You can enter heaven.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Baptism is required to enter heaven . So we follow Child baptism
            because no one knows when someone will die . So baptizing children when
            small reduces the risk of the souls from going to hell rather than
            waiting to grow up and if you die before Baptism you are risk of going
            to hell . So no soul has left or will leave this earth without getting
            Baptised . But the Soul needs food like the body and so only the Holy
            Eucharist feeds the Soul on earth . So all who did not feed their souls go to hell and stay there forever . For Catholics , there is Purgatory where the soul undergoes cleansing for all the un forgiven sins . So offering a Mass for the Souls in Purgatory hastens their way into heaven

          • Jacqueleen

            Immigration Laws only apply to those who attempt to come here legally. You can thank Obama for allowing them to come across the southern border leaving their prayer rugs in the desert on the way to the USA and then thank Demon “O” for the hundreds of thousands of refugees that were silently brought here to small airports un-be-known to American citizens….This is his army that he spoke about that will be stronger and better fighters than our military…You know that many of the refugees were young, unmarried men. I say evict every Muslim and ban them from re-entry before bloodshed occurs.

          • William S

            You are so right about the jihad by multiplying by birth while American women destroy their own babies which is a communist way of control the ones who want to take over keep their babies! I’m fact so many Americans have killed their own babies that at this point we can’t recover we have killed two whole generations of Americans! And we are working on the third. Americans should be on the endangered species list!

          • Marie Halligan

            One could say the same about many European nations as well, especially the British! Now, thanks to a Labour politician ( the Labour party is not what it used to be and doesn’t advocate for the working class anymore, just cultural Marxism and extreme left politics), the National Insurance money paid by every adultliving in the United Kingdom, even those on benefits, will be used to pay for abortions for women from Northern Ireland,even though the vast majority of the population of NI,both Catholic and Protestant, are pro-life and abortion was never legalised there. The UN and other nefarious bodies are also putting pressure on pro-life nations like the Republic of Ireland and Poland to legalise abortion as well! They do not want ethnic Europeans,nor Christians of any colour or race, to breed, it would seem! Luckily there are still many right-minded, good-hearted people who are resisting!

          • marlene

            SPOT ON!

          • LMan

            The sad part, is that the “respect laws” seems to be optional for anyone the socialist leftist Liberals (i.e. democrats) deem to be under the “Great Social Justice Cause Umbrella”… laws don’t seem to apply to them.

          • Richard J Sojka

            A friend of mine just recently got fired from his job as a trumpet teacher at a local music store. Why? He was chatting online in a Neighborhood Watch Community chat room. He was complaining about the loud mariachi music being played in his rural neighborhood at 2:00 to 4:00 AM in the morning. To this day I do not know the reason for this habit of playing loud music at night. Possible reasons could have been grieving for a loved one, having a party, working on 2nd shift, etc. What amazes me is “NO ONE BOTHERED TO FIGURE OUT THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS NOISE PROBLEM?”

            Instead a lady got online with my friend and disagreed with what he was chatting about! My friend crossed the line and took this conversation in the direction of illegal immigration in this country. The implication being that if we didn’t have “DAMN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS” in this country we would not have a “NOISE PROBLEM” in the neighborhood. This chat discussion immediately denigrated into a heated argument of almost “Biblical Proportions” meaning “things got way out of hand.”

            As a result this lady sent a transcript of the entire chat to all the music stores where my friend teaches trumpet. Every music store except one treated these “private” discussions as just one of your typical online disagreements. One did not and this is the store that fired him. I had just finished a trumpet lesson with my friend, when I say get fired from a place he had worked for 15 years.

            This got me to thinking why people get into online arguments so frequently over seemingly innocent but opposite points of view. For some reason, expressing one’s opinions online always degrades into childish “I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG CONVERSATIONS.” “WHAT IF THEY ARE BOTH RIGHT?” I am guilty of this practice myself!

            Why does this happen? It is not a question of who is right and who is wrong? I think that social media has made it too convenient for us to unload our emotions, feelings, anger, disgust, etc. on people who we do not even know. This results in explosions of vehement, vile, and pernicious online arguments.

            If one had been face to face with this person, this would not have happened. Just by reading a person’s body language and hearing their voice inflections, one can learn a lot.

            I know that people are passionate about what they know and what they believe, but “IS THIS A REASON TO LAUNCH INTO A HEATED ARGUMENT WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE ANOTHER PERSON IS COMING FROM?” What ever happened to cooperation, collaboration, and compromise? What ever happened to “VIVA LA DIFFERENCE!”

            All I know is that when “Cooler Heads Prevail,” they discuss their differences in a cooperative way, This when a magical solution appears or progress is made. When I was a kid, we would wait for the “GOOD HUMOR MAN” to come by to get some of his delicious ice cream treats.

            Why not treat our differences with good humor? Ah! Yet another dream, I will never see in my lifetime?Many people say I am an OLD ZEALOT OPTIMIST that is totally crazy, weird, and unreasonable. I say what the hell, be a maverick and think thoughts of “Good Humor!” We do not see enough of this in the world of online social media.

            “The reasonable person adopts himself or herself to the world; the unreasonable person persists in trying to adapt the world to themselves. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable person.” –George Bernard Shaw

          • swamplady

            Geoff, and yet they stay knowing they are breaking the law!

        • Faith of Our Fathers

          Couldn’t agree more with you our Prisons are full to the brim with foreigners 11,000 alone in Jails in England and Wales at a cost per day of over £100 per prisoner per day . Most of them would have been deported only they claim its against their European Human Rights. Well now that we’re out of Europe their the first lot I would be deporting.

      • Faith of Our Fathers

        Sorry but am afraid what’s said here is really not in compliance with Muslims just ask their local Imans. Over here in the U.K . they run the show and Sharia Law is now part of all the Muslim Towns,and of course if we disagree we’re all called Islamophobic a word that was most definitely not in the English Dictionary a few years ago. In fact just a couple of years ago at our local Public Swimming Baths their Iman didn’t ask he demanded a Muslim only day . To tell you the truth between them and the Eastern Uropeans everyone knows that is why the Brexit vote won its just our Politicians will still not admit it.

        • 2egypt

          When I was last in the UK it looked like a Third World Country…very rare to see an authentic Englishman. I was so disappointed …and this is what Obama wants to do to the USA.

          • Lady Williamina of Glencoe

            9cats. Thanks for the comment about the UK looking like a third world country. I live in the Rhondda Valley, which is 28 miles north of Cardiff, and haven’t visited Cardiff for years because of the problem of the Muslims taking over that city. I had to drive through a part of Cardiff to get a the hospital, and I felt very uncomfortable with what I saw there. There were more brown and black faces than white. There were more women (I hope they were all women!) dressed head to toe in black with only their eyes showing. There were some that you could not even see their eyes, as they had as kind of net material over the eye ‘slit’. There was a group of 8 women walking along the road dressed like that, all of them were pushing prams, and some of them had older children with them. God help Britain, and the rest of the Christian world, we need his help badly.

          • 2egypt

            I hope you can save your country. I noticed the change coming when I was first in the UK in 1976 with my son and prayed it wouldn’t get worst. Unfortunately you now have the biggest muslim population ever and getting worst. Do something, just don’t sit on your butts and let them takeover….I am afraid to go back to the UK for fear of safety.

        • Rons Abhish

          I hope people in UK dont fall back

      • bkeyes71@yahoo.com

        Yes and will Muslims adapt to our country I think not so we must keep them out or they will form their own country within ours which we cannot and must not accept.

      • fernando orozco

        So then why didnt the white man adapt to native american culture when they came to this land (USA)?

        • Aleteia

          The Native Americans lived in the stone age, while the European settlers were far more advanced. The natives didn’t invent the wheel, so why asking the question that the White man should have adapted to native culture? Life goes forward, no backwards. Based on Jesus’ teachings, technology was developed, because we believe that God created the laws of nature and therefore we ought to know them. Christianity is the religion of possibilities, while Native Americans have never moved beyond their pagan creed. Such creed is limitative, superstitious, fatalist, and blocks development, not to mention that it summons demons.

          • marlene

            WELL SAID!

          • Tom

            You make a gross mockery of what Christ said. The most pathetic part is that you know very well that what you are attempting to defend is wrong and that you wouldn’t like it if some foreign civilization came and tried to wipe you out because they thought they were better than you. Isn’t that why you’re on this forum in the first place? Because isis militant Muslims are trying to do this very thing? You know full well in your black and twisted heart that killing other people, kicking them off their land that they need to survive and depriving them of their livelihood is wrong. When did Christ ever say to go and remove and kill other people because you’re better than them? This is what you’re arguing in favor of. When did Jesus ever say this? Jesus bid us to make disciples indeed: Matthew 28:19- “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Should the heathen be not receptive, we are additionally told: Matthew 10:14-”And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.” This is what Christ mandated us, not to go out and destroy. Where the heck are you getting these twisted words that it is Christian to exterminate people who may be less technologically fortunate than you? If it’s out of your derriere, fine, just be more honest and don’t ascribe this filth with Christ. Pathetic. With regards to those who may be “less” than you, Christ said: Matthew 26:36-”’I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me…” When asked by the disciples when was Jesus in any of these conditions, Christ responded: Matthew 26:40-” ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’” How dare you say that Christ teaches to harass those who may have less than us?

          • Aleteia

            I can see that you are very emotional and insulting (this comes from the whitesness of your heart perhaps?), plus make false assumptions based on what you interpreted but I didn’t say nor implied.
            Let’s start with facts: (1) Native Indians were in Stone Age, had no written language and a very short lifespan. (2) Native Indian tribes fought among each other as well and occupied each other’s territories. (3) The settlers left behind religious persecution and didn’t go there with the idea of missionarism but to build a life. (4) the territory of the US is vast and it was a matter of time that Europeans or other nationalities will come and occupy. If you look back at the history of Europe, around 900, migratory people came from Asia and occupied territories in Eastern Europe. One of them are the Hungarians. They were put in place by the Austrian army when they made expeditions and sacked cities. Later the Mongols came and destroyed large populations across Asia. They were stopped by disease and the Austrian army. The stronger prevailed – this is natural law, like it or not. (5) Christianity professes separation of powers: religious power – Christian leaders, and political power – army, legislature, government. Not priests or missionaries fought against the Indians, it was the army. It is easy to criticize in the present people who lived in the past, but first we should understand the circumstances of those times. Criticizing and blaming is easy. (6) It was a clash of cultures between settlers and the natives. It went wrong for the natives. In wars, one wins and the other loses. Story of mankind. Do you condemn every victorious army which ever fought in history or you are cherry-picking the settlers in the US?

          • sherry

            Shame on you using propaganda as fact. Monasteries were used to spread smallpox! Monasteries enslaved and brutalized the Native Americans in their care. Also where does Christianity prohibit mixing Church and State? Your absolutely wrong! King Henry viii broke with the Church on several grounds,one of his strongest arguments was that the King was not a subject of Pope, being chosen of God to rule. The Church of course believes that since you need the Church to anoint a King, the Pope was superior to a King. Interesting argument but clearly shows that there is not separation between Church and State in Christianity.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            AND GOOD THOSE POTATO EYES gods ARE DESTROYED . THEY LOOK LIKE IDIOTS , AND ONLY IDIOTS WILL WANT THOSE gods AND WORSHIP THEM . I AM HAPPY THEY ARE GONE .

          • sherry

            You poor delusional fool, I know many Native Nations in America still practice their heritage, just like every other American in this Country we celebrate it in our holiday food, we celebrate our heritage in our language, We have festivals, the months of the year are someone’s old god. Our beloved Easter is named from a pagan God. I could go on and on. We are America, we are Americans we are wonderful mesh of every culture in the world. It should make us strong and powerful. But because of blabber, bumbling Idiots like you we are stagnant, stuck, hurt and being destroyed. You are a Cancer of the Church and Americans everywhere. Are you proud? SCREAMING OUT LOUD IN ALL CAPS. ARE YOU PROUD,? YOU MAKE AMERICA ASHAMED AND WE WILL NOT BE ASHAMED, WE ARE COURAGEOUS, WE ARE STRONG WE ARE AMERICANS. AND YOU WILL NOT DESTROY A TRUE, RED, WHITE AND BLUE AMERICAN, IF I BE BLACK, RED, OR WHITE OR ANY OTHER COLOR, I AM STILL RED WHITE AND BLUE. AND MY GOD A CHRISTIAN GOD IS THE FUNDAMENTAL FOUNDATION OF THE CONSTITUTION FOR WHICH THIS NATION STANDS. I AM PROUD OF MY HERITAGE. MY GOD IS NOT RESPECTOR OF MAN. BUT DECERNS THE HEART OF MAN. YOU ARE WICKED AND CHRIST WEEPS FOR YOUR LOSS!

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            AND THOSE STUPID SO CALLED NATIVE NONSENSE AMERICANS DONT KNOW THAT THE POTATO EYES gods ARE DEAD !

          • sherry

            Not wroth going into with it you, already explained Native American do not and have never.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            SEE THE HISTORY OF NORTH AMERICA IF YOU HAVE AND KNOWLEDGE .. THEIR gods WERE DEMONS …

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g-gW6TSPxA

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            AND IT IS BECAUSE THEY SAW POTATO EYES gods AS THEIR SAVIOR , SO THEY ARE GONE

          • sherry

            Well see those old gods offered good harvests, ample rain, mild winters. Victory in war. They helped ward off evil and what not. But nobody, but the ancient Egyptians ever had a god for salvation. Most pagan heaven are nothing like Christians believe. Odin god of the Vikings. You died fighting or you didn’t get in. You must know paganism is still around, But it is those that worship Lucifer that should scare you. It scares me. And I am a blood covered Christian.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            NO Potato eyes gods offered only slavery . Satan is the ruler of this world and all the wealth belongs to Satan and his demons . YAHWEH orders Satan to give his people what they need to live and glorify YAHWEH forever . YAHWEH gave to man everything for free , but when people get greedy they sell their souls and turn to worship Satan .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            even satan can give you good harvest . Satan rules the earth . But it depends who we ask for help the potato eyes gods or Yahweh . Both can provide . Satan can give you all the worldly things easily , but satan cannot save your soul ..But if we ask Yahweh for help , Yahweh orders Satan to provide us with help how much we need . and the Soul as well will be saved .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            ALL 365 DAYS BELONG TO MY LORD AND GOD JESUS CHRIST , AND NONE OF THE DAYS ARE OFFERED TO ANY PAGAN gods . ALL THE PAGAN gods ARE DEAD !

          • sherry

            How can what has never taken a breath be considered living and if something’s never lived how could it be dead?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            SO THOSE POTATO EYES gods DO NOT HAVE BREATH AND THEY WERE MADE UP BY STUPID SATAN AND ARE DESTROYED

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            SO WHY ARE YOU BOTHERED WHICH IS A PAGAN DAY OR NOT ?THEY ARE DEAD AND NOT EXISTING . SHOULD WE RESPECT THEM BY BOYCOTTING THE HOLY EUCHARIST ON EASTER SUNDAY ? IF YOU THING THAT DAY IS SO SIGNIFICANT FOR THAT PAGAN god THAT MEANS YOU ARE BELIEVING THAT THAT god IS TO BE RESPECTED . SO FOR ME IT IS BETTER TO KICK OUT THE PAGAN PRACTICES AND CELEBRATE THE HOLY EUCHARIST ON THESE DAYS .

          • sherry

            Seems you and a lot of others thought so too. But God set in his Commandments to rest and Worship on the Seventh day, and not the First day of the week. Also Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law not to destroy the law. He said not one letter of the law shall pass away. Also I think but again not sure, When he gave Mankind the Law through Moses and said that the Law would stand forever.( also note here, the Law came at the demand of the people so they would know how to be pleasing and obedient to God. At the time of the law and until Christ came to fulfill the Law.Sin was imputed to Man they became accountable for the Sin. The Law condemned them.) And at the time of the Passover, God said to do this from now on. Of course Christ was the final Passover but I think there is something to celebrating Easter at the same time as Jewish Passover. As far as celebrating Easter at the same time of year that the pagan god Easter was celebrated, honorsthat pagan god still. Because there are pagans that still Worship her. Besides all that is just me. Because I was busting your chops for claiming to be Christian or Catholic and not knowing who or what Jesus Christ is. Or even the plan of Salvation. You going to tell me who you are and who you represent?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ did not say to worship on only the Sabbath day . In the Old Covenant those laws were required to be followed . But Now since we are in the New Covenant , all days are worth of worship and praise .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            in the New covenant , every day is worthy for worship . The soul needs food daily and even after death the Soul will be fed by the Holy Eucharist .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            EASTER god IS DEAD AND ALL THE OTHER STUPID PAGAN POTATO EYES gods ARE DEAD. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AND GOD FOR ALL 365 DAYS . WE CELEBRATE THE HOLY EUCHARIST ALL 365 DAYS AND NOTHING IS OFFERED IN THE HONOR OF THOSE PAGAN gods

          • sherry

            Easter is celebrated every year in the Spring when the pagan worshipped her. Christ was resurrected during Jewish Passover and that was not in the Spring. So who are you worshipping on Easter Sunday? The pagan God Easter or the Covenant kept with Gods people with the resurrection of Christ? And if you are celebrating the Resurrection of Christ why not the same time of year as the Jewish Passover? After all God did say to cover your door post with the blood of a lamb without blemish to escape the Angel of Death the very first Passover right? Why didn’t the early Catholic Fathers honor God’s decree and celebrated the Resurrection during Jewish Passover? Hint I don’t really think you know who you worship on Easter Sunday. And You celebrate that pagan god Easter every Spring like her pagan followers have for centuries.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            and all 365 days is Easter and all 365 days is Christmas . I do not honor any day to the dead pagan gods .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            AND THAT EASTER god DID NOT DIE ON THE CROSS LIKE JESUS CHRIST . THAT EASTER god WAS A FAKE AND IS DEAD AND SO THEIR PAGAN FOLLOWERS ARE ALSO DEAD .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            ALL 365 DAYS BELONG TO JESUS CHRIST . THOSE PAGAN gods ARE DEAD AND NO ONE IS CELEBRATING ANY DAY IN THE HONOR OF THEM

          • sherry

            What!! What about the South American Catholics? Don’t they have a day of the Dead? Its an old custom disguised as something Catholic that day honors old gods. Sorry but true.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            why only South America .. the entire world remembers the Dead . They need prayers . They are in Purgatory awaiting to go into Heaven . which gods are honored ?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            the Catholics Do not die . The Holy Eucharist is life for the Soul .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            AND DID THE PAGAN gods DIE FOR YOU ? SO IF THEY WERE SO GREAT WHY DID THEIR RELIGION DIE OUT IF THEIR gods WERE SO REAL ?

          • sherry

            I can’t believe you think the pagans gods have died out. They are all still here. Sometimes they are disguised as something else, other times they are called by their ancient names but paganism is alive and well. And I have never dealt with paganism and have always loved God I have learned as much about him as I possible could ( without learning an ancient and dead language) and have served him my very best. So pagan gods were never alive to me. Ever. But if I ever crossed paths with one I’d tip toe call on Christ, and pray Pslam 23. Yep pretty sure that’s what I’d do. Oh and I would never go back there again. So I never met a live pagan god and sheltered as I am, I probably never will.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I do not know and do not care which day was for which pagan potato eyes gods of this world . All days belong to LORD JESUS CHRIST and no pagan culture is remembered for the Catholics .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            and the pagan gods will never die and sacrifice themselves and offer their flesh and blood for you . Satan will never sacrifice himself for the good of any mortal man . Only Jesus Christ died and gave his body and blood to save the mortal men . Satan will only want others to kill and kill others .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            AND WE DO NOT REQUIRE THEIR STUPID POTATO EYES gods PRACTICES . CARE A DAMN FOR THEIR gods . AND EVERY POTATO EYES gods NEED TO BE DESTROYED IN THE WORLD

          • Aleteia

            (7) You should check out how many people were helped by charities and nuns/monks. Their history is unfortunately, and willingly forgotten. (8) Jesus also said that “I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me.” Jesus brings life and prosperity. You need to understand even if it’s hard to accept, that those nations who do not accept Jesus, have vanished or will vanish. This is how He created this world. (9) Don’t act with a level of moral superiority as if you are way above good and evil and your sole task on earth is to point out what others did wrong. Don’t forget, humility matters! In Luke 18: 11-13 the farisee says, “’God, I thank you that I am not like other men — robbers, evildoers, adulterers — or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ We are all sinners and we ought to look in our “yard” of evildoings so we can improve our lives. I, and you, and others, are responsible solely for our deeds, not for the deeds of our parents, grandparents, etc. (10) Be honest with yourself, why do you bring in discussion the situation of Native Americans? What is your game here? What do you want to gain emotionally and psychologically? One for the most important thing in our life is to understand our inner demons, what frustrations, pains, inferiorities we have that might hinder our spiritual development.

          • sherry

            You should check out how many nuns and monks sold prayers. As a matter of historical fact Monastery and Abbey’s were founded after the Crusades to pray for the noble men who confessed to killing many infidels. They often had 10s of thousands prayers in penance. So they founded Monasteries with monks and nuns to pray for them. Also many monasteries were notorious for corruption. You know baby skeleton being found in so many every where.! Oh and how many people were helped by monasteries?

        • bocacassidy

          Im centuries past , the Americas were very sparsely populated
          Nations and boundaries of the inhabitant natives were ill defined
          The status quo is nevertheless a fait accompli ,, A billion Europeans and Africans can’t be “deported ” by any criteria…The past is done ….Concentrate instead on the future ! ..

          • Fernando

            Sounds about what Lucifer would say.
            “Forget about the man i murdered, thats in the past.. concentrate instead on the future!..”
            Yeah i wont fall for the devil’s tricks on this one

          • bocacassidy

            Fernando , face the reality ..History cannot be re written, whether good or bad
            The only workable option is steer the future in the best possible direction ..
            Pause and think about it… Your comment does not make sense .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Not exactly ! check what those so called ‘NATIVE AMERICANS’ really practiced in the first place . The had human sacrifices to please their demon gods . So I would never tolerate such practices any where in the world , no matter they are native or not . There is no excuse of being branded as Native and they have rights to do what ever they feel just because their so and so god says so .

          • sherry

            You are a horrible person and even worse historian! I have never heard of Native North American Indian tribe ever sacrificing a human.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            check the history of Mexico before they became a catholic Christian nation . Check out what did they worship and all their practices

          • sherry

            Not North America!!! Name a North American Native Nation that practices human sacrifice. You can not. Because there aren’t any, so stop just stop

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            just because the media is not showing ? what did they feed their potato eyes gods then?

        • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

          sorry , native americans were they themselves invaders in the first place , and worst of all they followed cannibal practices , so God had destroyed these satanic cultures and will do so anywhere else in the world if so .

          • marlene

            Exactly! Not enough people know this to voice intelligent opinions. They just parrot what they’re told.

          • Tom

            This is a load of baloney that you’re saying. By what evidence can you say that the natives of the new world invaded and toppled a pre-existent society? What was this society/civilization that has apparently been neglected by archaeological and anthropological research and evidence on the history of the Americas? Was it your Joseph Smith people and their golden plates? Their METAL swords, shields and chariots that have never been found on the continental United States? Besides, even IF the natives did such atrocities, since when has it been Catholic doctrine to do the same to others simply because someone else has done something evil? The scriptures address this in case you didn’t know: Proverbs 24:1 “Do not envy the wicked…” When did Christ ever mandate killing people on the basis of adhering to aberrant beliefs? You must obviously be an isis militant because I can assure you that going out to destroy other civilizations on the basis of wrong beliefs has NEVER been taught by the Church or found in the Scriptures in any way. To the contrary, Exodus 20:12-“Thou shalt not kill.” In evangelizing were are told: Matthew 28:19- “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Should the heathen be not receptive, we are additionally told: Matthew 10:14-” And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.” This is what Christ mandated us, not to go out and destroy. Shame on you for peddling the blatant contrary of Christian teaching, as I’m pretty sure these verses are not new or foreign to you

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            DESTROYING SATAN AND ALL HIS FALLEN ANGEL RELIGIONS IS NOT SIN. WE ONLY NEED TO RESPECT HUMANITY , NOT THE SATANIC gods AND THEIR RELIGIONS

          • sherry

            Genocide again? Doesn’t Scripture repeatedly say the prefect religion is to “walk humbly with your God and look after orphans and widows in their time of need”. Shame Shame on you! Please do not teach anyone about Christ, I might be held against on judgement day.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            YAHWEH DID NOT DESTROY THE HUMANS .. HE DESTROYED THE NEPHELIM RACE , THEY WERE NON HUMAN CREATURES

          • sherry

            Never said God destroyed humans. But they did lose fellowship with him. Scripture does say to humble yourself before God. Never once did I ask you or any body to care for or love my God. Nor do I care how you worship. You who are the idiot true to your name Rapist of humanity and false prophet Muhammed! God luck in future America. Hope your a citizen!

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            only Yahweh is the true God , rest are potato eyes idiotic gods ..fallen angel spirits .

          • sherry

            DUMMY. WHAT DOSE YAHWEH MEAN. WHAT ARE YOU CALLING GOD? HE HAS MANY NAMES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT NAME YOU ARE CALLING ON?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            MORON! Yahweh is the Name of the true GOD….

            I DO NOT CARE IF ANY ONE GETS OFFENDED OR DOES NOT AGREE , I WILL KEEP MY FAITH AND WILL REMAIN FIRM ON MY FAITH .
            ALL THESE gods LIKE ALLAH , RAMA, KRISHNA, EGYPTIAN , BABYLONIAN, GREEK , MAYAN, ETC gods ARE ALL FALLEN ANGEL SPIRITS HERE ONLY
            TO FOOL AND DESTROY MANKIND THAT INCLUDES THE ENTIRE BANKING AND CORPORATION SYSTEM. CHRIST IS THE NEW COVENANT WHO HAD TO DIE
            AND RISE FROM THE DEAD TO DEFEAT DEATH AND ALL THESE FALLEN ANGEL SPIRITS. NO SOUL ON EARTH HAS LEFT OR WILL LEAVE THIS EARTH
            WITHOUT WASHING AWAY THEIR SINS!PEOPLE POINT OUT AT THE VIOLENCE IN THE BIBLE BUT DID THEY EVEN CHECK WHO WERE THOSE PEOPLE THAT
            YAHWEH TOLD MOSES TO DESTROY ? YAHWEH HAS DESTROYED THE NEPHELIM ( NON HUMAN RACE ) AND NOT THE HUMANS !

            http://www.thetruthwins.com/archives/these-ancient-elongated-skulls-are-not-human

            YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHO IS JESUS CHRIST !

            JESUS CHRIST IS SPIRIT GOD ! JESUS CHRIST IS THE ‘NEW COVENANT’. JESUS CHRIST IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ( SPIRIT OF YAHWEH ) NOT MADE FROM THIS EARTH LIKE REST OF THE PROPHETS INCLUDING THE FALSE RAPIST PROPHET MUHAMMED .JUST AS OUR BODIES CANNOT BE GREATER THAN THE SPIRIT , SO SAME WAY CHRIST BODY CANNOT SAY HE IS GREATER THAN THE HOLY SPIRIT . JUST AS THE HUMAN BODY AND HUMAN SPIRIT ARE ONE SO IS WITH CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ONE . NO ONE CAN TOUCH OR HARM THE SPIRIT IN THE SAME WAY NO ONE CAN HARM THE HOLY SPIRIT . CHRIST BODY IS DIVINE AND NOT BE DESTROYED . BUT OUR BODIES WILL GO TO THE EARTH BACK AGAIN BUT THE SOUL CONTINUES TO LIVE . CHRIST IS THE BREAD FOR THE SOULS . SO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY IS THE ‘ARC OF THE NEW COVENANT. JESUS CHRIST SAID AND DID EVERYTHING FOR THE MORTAL MAN AND NOTHING FOR HIMSELF . CHRIST ONLY CAME TO EARTH TO ‘REPRESENT’ THE MORTAL MAN . EVEN THE WORDS ON THE CROSS ” MY GOD, MY GOD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME ” WAS NOT FOR JESUS CHRIST BUT WAS FOR THE MORTAL MAN , IT IS BECAUSE THE MORTAL MAN WHO COMPLAINS TO GOD ALL TIME . JESUS CHRIST IS ONLY REMINDING US THAT NO MATTER WHAT EVEN IF PUT TO DEATH DO NOT WORRY BECAUSE ALL WILL BE SAVED IN CHRIST . INSTEAD UNDERSTAND THE WORDS OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS AND BE COMFORTED .

          • sherry

            OK, Jesus Christ is not Spirit God. Jesus is God in his own right as is the Holy Spirit. There are Three persons in one God. And Jesus cried My God My God why have you forsaken me. He said that because he had taken the world’s Sin on as his own. God can’t look on Sin (never has,never will) and for the first time Jesus fully God and fully man was separated from God the Father, and there isn’t anything worse then having God and knowing God and losing God because of Sin. So Christ humanity called to God, he died, ascended in to Hell and destroyed Death. He rose again and we will never suffer the sting of death. And I personally know who Jesus Christ is. And I didn’t wait for someone to tell me. I searched and Christ found me where I was, how I was and loved me anyway. He has led me home. Please go to your Bible, Gods people perish for lack of knowledge. Its right there in front if you pick it up and consume the Word of God. For his yoke is easy and his burden light.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Chrst is the temple of the Holy Spirit ( Spirit of Yahweh ) not made from this world like the other prophets and all men who are made from the dust including the false rapist prophet muhammed . Just as the Body and Spirit are one so is with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit . Our bodies will die and go back to the dust , but not the Body of Jesus Christ . Jesus Christ came to earth only to ‘REPRESENT’ the mortal man . it is the mortal man who complains to God for every little thing , so Jesus Christ is giving assurance to all men that even if put to death we should not worry who are baptized because the soul will be saved . UNDERSTAND the Bible and do not just read it like a story book

          • sherry

            Aha! You are not Catholic! Caught you, I suspected but not sure but every fundamental Christian and every Catholic knows to be true Jesus was fully God and fully Man. Only a human being a man of flesh and blood be a sacrifice for original sin But the man had to be with out sin, impossible for a humans by themselves, So God came in the flesh of sinful man but without sin himself. He only Christ could restore man to God. Jesus Christ was fully man and fully God. You would know that if you were Catholic or Christian at all. But hey I gave you a lot of the living Word, and God said his Word would not return void, He said the fruit of his Word will multiply. You are now aware of the Truth about our Christian Saviour may his Spirit rest upon you and bring you safely home

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ represented everything .He is the Bread of Life , Roaring lion of Judah , Lamb of God , Temple of the Holy Spirit . You will not understand Jesus Christ unless you ask him why is he called God .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HENCE YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE AND NOT JUST READ IT LIKE A STORY BOOK . YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST DIRECTLY WHY HE IS GOD , AND NOT READ BLINDLY

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HALLELUYAH IS PRAISE BE TO YAHWEH . MAY YAHWEH GIVE YOU SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I know Jesus Represented man because Jesus is the Christ and not made
            from dust like the Mortal man . His flesh was flesh touch , feel , etc ,
            but was not the same flesh like the mortal mans flesh and blood .,

          • sherry

            He was all human flesh, blood and bone. Every bit human. Fully Human Fully Man. Resurrected Mankind will have new celestials bodies and Christ will be in his Crucified body with scars and all. Nice try, but Catholics and Christians know better then that before grade school. Who are you who do represent? You know nothing about Christian or Catholicism beliefs.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ is real flesh and blood ..humans are dead flesh and blood .
            Jesus Christ was untouched by Satan or any of his demons like mortal
            man…

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            so the angels who met the prophets were made from dust ?

          • sherry

            Jesus didn’t just represent man he was fully Man and fully God, Jesus is Not the temple of the Holy Spirit. Jesus left his Glory in Heaven to take on the flesh of mankind in order to restore Gods fellowship with us. Jesus is doing and has done far more then to assure all men. Jesus Christ is Life, Jesus Christ destroyed Death. I understand the Bible very well and I have a intellectual grasp of the Great and I truly do mean Great Church of Catholicism. You are not Catholic nor Christian. I don’t know why you have done any of this. But Gods Word is Life and Truth, it will always be fruitful and never return void. You can deny and you can reject the Truth, but the seed has now been planted. You are now accountable to the Truth, deny or comply. We will not chat again, but I will pray for you for a long time.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            You are talking all nonsense . Jesus Christ was not made from this world . He was made by Yahweh to live among his people . HalleluYAH means praise be to Yahweh !

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            IF YOU COULD SEE GOD DIRECTLY YOU WILL DIE . HENCE YOU CANT SEE THE HOLY SPIRIT DIRECTLY . ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST YOU CAN SPEAK TO HIM FACE TO FACE .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus is the Christ of Yahweh . that means the Spirit of Yahweh .

          • sherry

            Who are you? Yahweh means I Am. Jesus Christ had been God from the beginning of Creation. Jesus Christ is not the Spirit of Yahweh Jesus Christ is God. You are not Catholic or Christian. You are you? What are you.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            The Christ of Yahweh is Jesus

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            so what is the name of the Christian Elohim?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            JESUS CHRIST IS YAHWEH!

          • sherry

            So is Immanuel, so is Jehovah, so is Elohim, so is Messiah and Lord and to many to list here!!! All the names of our our Christians GOD

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Elohim plainly means Lord . Yahweh is the name of my God . ‘HalleluYAH’ means praise be to YAHWEH

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HALLELUYAH MEANS PRAISE BE TO YAHWEH

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            YAHSHUAH NAME OF JESUS CHRIST IN HEBREW ITSELF MEANS SALVATION . THE NAME BEGINS WITH ‘YAH’. MEANS GOD WHO SAVES .

            HALLELUYAH MEANS PRAISE BE TO YAHWEH . YAHSHUAH IS GOD WHO SAVES AND MESSIAH IS THE TEMPLE OF YAHWEH .SO THE WORD IS ‘YAHSHUAH HA MESSAIAH’ OR JESUS CHRIST . JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND CHRIST IS THE TEMPLE . SO YOU CAN SAY LIVING AND NON LIVING COMPONENT JESUS AND CHRIST

            YOU ARE ALL READING IN THE MORTAL MAN’S VISION , HENCE YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND YAHWEH .

          • sherry

            You are the one who believes the Bible is a story book, First of all Yahashuah is ancient an ancient name for Jacob. God is the Living God and Jesus Christ is his only Begotten Son. The temple of God is the Christians body. I do not say living and non living, I Say Christ is life, Christ Resurrection, Christ Slain from the foundation of the World. Christ Lives, Christ Reigns at the right hand of God. There is nothing non living about Jesus Christ! Christ is life, in fact everything IS created by Christ, everything exist because Christ and nothing can exist without him. You my friend have a lot more to learn. Again there is no such thing as a nonliving component to Jesus Christ.I could go in to the names of God again. But you still do not get it. Jesus is the Son of God. And he lives and reigning on the right hand of God Almighty. Christ is not a temple, Jesus Christ is God.so get that straight right now, Jesus Christ is a Living God and not a temple. As long as you are confused about Jesus Christ and his Divinity you will never understand God, Christians, or Gods Church. What are you really? Because it is very clear to me that you are reading something trying to pretend you know about Christ, his Church and Christians and you are reading from a book that just doesn’t understand Christian beliefs. So who and what are you? Because you just aren’t Christian and really haven’t a clue. What do you want?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Yo are such a brain dead person that you do not even understand simple things . Jesus Christ is only representing the Humans on earth . God does not make anything complicated to understand . Yes the Mortal mans Body is the Temple of God . So Jesus Christ came to earth only to REPRESENT the mortal man . Jesus is the Christ that means Jesus is the Temple of Yahweh . or Yahashuah is Christ or Messiah . there are 2 parts in Jesus Christ ..Jesus and Christ .

          • sherry

            You are not Christian or Catholic. You are you? Name calling doesn’t hurt me. You know sticks and stone’s all that. Jesus Christ is Immanuel God is with us. He Represented no one. He came to restore Mankind to God. He was Fully God and Fully Man. If you a Catholic or Christian you would not be speaking so confused. Are you Islamic reading a Muslim interpretation of Catholicism and Christian handbook?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ was is real flesh and real blood ..Humans are dead flesh and dead blood

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            so Were the angels human flesh and blood who met the prophets ? So who
            created them? They looked like men so do you mean they were made from
            the same material like dust that man is made of ?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Were the angels human flesh and blood who met the prophets ? So who
            created them? They looked like men so do you mean they were made from
            the same material like dust that man is made of ?

          • sherry

            What are you? As I mentioned before you are not a Christian and you definitely are not Catholic. Yahshuah, actually is Joshua and that name is a form of Jesus. Also their isn’t any such thing as non living component to Jesus Christ. Jesus is Life, with Jesus everything is possible, without Jesus nothing is possible. You have the per in carinate Christ ( Slain from the foundation of the world. You have pre carinated Jesus wrestling with Jacob. just 2 example’s of Jesus Christ before his physical birth.) You have carinated Jesus Christ, and this is Immanuel which means God is with us. Then you have the Resurrected Jesus Christ whom we call Saviour. So you see Catholics and Christians KNOW there is no such thing as a non living component to Jesus Christ. So we all are reading mortal Mans vision. Again who and what are you? Mortal Man’s Vision? The Bible was ment to be read by mortal man, God said he would use the simple the confound the wise. Read the Bible in context and you will not fall into the trap you are in. Islamist will never get Christ. Mohammad was a liar, he was a thief, a molester of women and children, a mutilator. Jesus Christ came to bring Life and the fullness of Life. Mohammed came to kill, steal, and destroy. He is the son of Satan. Christians and Catholics believe that were are headed to war and destruction. But really Christians and Catholics are fighting principalities with strong holds in high palaces. It is a fight we have been fighting for eternity, but for the last 1500 years Gods people have been dealing with the evil Glorified in the Muslim. Your time is short because The I AM comes quickly. So you are right to learn as much about Christ and Life ad possible before darkness and eternal Death swallow Muhammad up, for the Glory that only is Gods! So as a Christian I laugh and laugh telling me I do not read the Bible and am short sighted. The Koran is leading you to destruction.

          • sherry

            Wrong! Wrong! Messiah is not the Temple of Yahweh. I believe, but am not sure but Messiah still pretty sure Messiah means Savior. And again Yahweh is The I Am. Yahweh is the name God used to send Moses to his people. Christ is Jesus Resurrected. Christ is not a Temple he is God the Living God, the Creator of Life. Even in Death Christ can bring forth life. There is no such thing as non living Christ. There is Elohim, that is God in Purler form. The first named mentioned in the Bible the Creator of Heaven and Earth and everything in between. So Jesus Christ has always been. Christ is Not A Temple. And there is for the last time no such thing as a non living Christ or even a non living Jesus Christ. Get that straight. Why do I keep getting this post? I believe I responded to this before.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Messiah means Christ .. The Christ of God or Yahweh is Jesus

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            the name of the Christian Elohim is YAHWEH

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            the name of the Christian Adonai and Elohim(LORD and GOD ) is YAHWEH

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            YOU NUT CASE … MESSIAH MEANS CHRIST

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HalleluYah means praise be to Yahweh .. Elohim , Lord , etc are only man given names in those days because the Jews considered the name of Yahweh to be to sacred to be uttered from their mouths . Hence they called him LORD , or Elohim , etc

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            So what is the name of the Christian Elohim?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            and You cant See the Holy Spirit . Just as you cant see your own Spirit , same is with Yahweh

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HalleluYah means praise be to Yahweh .. Elohim , Lord , etc are only man
            given names in those days because the Jews considered the name of
            Yahweh to be to sacred to be uttered from their mouths . Hence they
            called him LORD , or Elohim , etc…

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            WHAT MANY NAMES ? CHRISTIAN GOD HAS ONLY ONE NAME AND HIS NAME IS YAHWEH . YOU CAN RESPECT THOSE POTATO EYES gods FOR ME THOSE gods ARE DEAD !

          • sherry

            Oh my my my. What about comforter? What about Immanuel? What about Jesus Christ isn’t that another name for our Christian God? What about the Holy Ghost? Jehovah again a Name our Christian God called himself. What about the Alpha and Onega didn’t Christ refer to himself as that? What about the name Yeshau? What about Saviour? What of Messiah and I will not confuses you further with Elohim meaning Self Existing One. You know just enough to get yourself and some poor unfortunate who hears you in trouble. And again you are claiming there was a living God other then the I AM. Whom I loving call Father.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Yes Jesus Christ is GOD!

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HALLELUYAH MEANS PRAISE BE TO YAHWEH

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            comforter , Elohim , etc are all man given names . HalleluYah means praise be to Yahweh .. Elohim , Lord , etc are only man
            given names in those days because the Jews considered the name of
            Yahweh to be to sacred to be uttered from their mouths . Hence they
            called him LORD , or Elohim , etc

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Yahweh is the God of the Christians . Yahweh who spoke to thousands at mount Sinai and to all prophets directly in the past . Yahweh did not only send angels to do all the talking .

          • sherry

            Yahweh means I AM WHO I AM it is the name God gave Moses for the generation to remember him. When Moses asks God who should he say sent him God answered, I AM sent you, this is my eternal name. Jesus says in John 8:58 Verily verily I say unto you before Abraham was I AM. Also God spoke only to Moses face to face and the Glory of God turned Moses hair white. Jesus wrestled with Jacob leaving Jacob with a dislocated hip. God called Abraham Friend but never spoke face to face with the I AM (Yahweh). God said David was a man after (God) his own heart but David never spoke to God face to face either. God sent a chariot to bring Elias to Heaven but did not speak to him face to face. And God brought Isaiah to Heaven, Isaiah falls to his knee’s and cries woe to me I am a man of unclean lips from a people of unclean lips. An Angel picked up a coal from the Alter and touched Isaiah lips. Isaiah saw the throne of God but not God. Gabriel an Angel of the Lord is often his earthly messenger read Tobias. Also it was Gabriel who went to Mary on behalf of God in to inquire if she would be the Mother of God. So no God did not speak face to face with any prophet but Moses. Before Jesus the Holy Spirit would hover over a prophet from time to time. Now the Holy Spirit dwells with all those who have accepted the Lord Christ into their lives. And the Holy Spirit never leaves us nor will he forsake us. But yes God sends Angels all the time. Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind. And I can’t remember it clearly but isn’t there something about cautioning a believers to be kind to strangers least you be entertaining Angeles unaware. So you are right God talks directly to his people. But still so,so,wrong.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ is GOD!

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I KNOW JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AND GOD . JUST AS THE BODY AND SPIRIT ARE ONE SO IS WITH JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ONE . YOU CANT SEE YOUR SPIRIT , BUT YOU CAN SEE YOUR BODY SO SAME WAY WE CANNOT SEE THE HOLY SPIRIT , BUT CAN SEE JESUS CHRIST IN FLESH .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HalleluYah means praise be to Yahweh .. Elohim , Lord , etc are only man
            given names in those days because the Jews considered the name of
            Yahweh to be to sacred to be uttered from their mouths . Hence they
            called him LORD , or Elohim , etc,

          • sherry

            Yhvh is the name the Jews refused to use for for fear of taking Gods name in vain. However you are correct Yahweh is the name God uses to tell Moses to explain who sent him. And the Jewish people do not use it because of the Holiness of the name. Elohim is the name of God the Bible uses when God created the universe. Also again God has a lot of names. But nobody knows his name. So Yahweh, Messiah, Jesus, Christ, Holy Ghost, Immanuel are the names he gave us for him. Wrong again. Also please note if you need God to be with in time of trouble call Immanuel, if you need God to save you cry Messiah. He has many names and used correctly they are powerful in prayer. Elohim means God a Purler form meaning more then one. Early indication of the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Why again do not know Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Why did you think Christ was Gods temple? Why did you think Jesus was just a representation of Man and not know he was fully God and Fully Man. Why do you think there is such a thing as a non living Jesus. You are not a Christian or a Catholic. Who are you, what are you and what are you trying to accomplish? I will continue to respond because Gods Word is a double edged sword as well as fruitful and will not return void. Why don’t know Christ. Do you want to know him as your personal Savior. Would you like God the Holy Spirit to dwell with you always? Would you like to be a Temple of the living God? If you do you are on a page that would be glad to help.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            There are so many elohims in the world .. So what is the name of the Christian Elohim?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            again the word TRINITY is not mentioned in the Bible .. TRINITY is the Catholic Church doctrine ..So why are you believing in the Trinity ?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            How many elohims are there on earth ..and what is the Name of the Christian Elohim?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            YAHWEH DID NOT HAVE POTATO EYES

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            and what have the potato eyes gods done for you that you respect them so much?

          • sherry

            DO YOU KNOW WHAT YAHWEH MEANS? I REALLY HOPE SOMEONE READS ALL YOUR NONSENSE. YOU DO NOT KNOW YOUR BIBLE, YOU DO NOT KNOW YOUR RELIGION, AND I DOUBT YOU KNOW GOD AT ALL. TELL ME WHAT YAHWEH MEANS, AND WHY HE REFERRED TO HIMSELF THAT WAY. I BET YOU DON’T KNOW BY WHAT NAME YOU CALL YOUR GOD. DO YOU? FOOL

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Yahweh is the name of God who spoke directly to all the prophets and to thousands at mount Sinai . Rest of the gods are nonsense including allah who are fallen angel demons

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            MY GOD SPOKE DIRECTLY TO ALL THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST AND TO THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AT MOUNT SINAI . YAHWEH DID NOT ONLY SEND ANGELS TO DO ALL THE TALKING . ALLAH IS NOT THE SAME god OF THE CHRISTIANS . ALLAH NEVER BOTHERED TO SPEAK TO THAT FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMED DIRECTLY . THAT ANGEL WHO MET MUHAMMED AT THE CAVE WAS SATAN

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HALLEUYAH MEANS PRAISE BE TO YAHWEH

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            prefect religion is to “walk humbly with your God and look after orphans and widows in their time of need”.

            IDIOT LIKE YOU NEED TO KNOW WE NEED TO ONLY CARE FOR THE HUMANS AND NOT CARE FOR THEIR STUPID gods THEY WORSHIP . SCRIPTURE DOES NOT SAY TO RESPECT STUPID gods AS WELL

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ did not tell us to respect potato eyes gods ..

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR MEANS LOVE THE HUMAN PERSON AND NOT THE SATANIC gods THEY WORSHIP OR ASSOCIATED WITH THEM . STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAID

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Check out the Paracas Sculls discovered all over South America and see if they were humans in the first place . These ancestors were not HUMANS !

          • sherry

            You are nuts! Native Americans never were cannibals. Also last I heard Native Americans crossed the European land bridge before the last ice age. Who did they invade the bison?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            There was no nations in those days . people used to move freely in every continent . the Native Indians worshiped their STUPID blood thirsty gods like here in India . till today the girl child is killed and in India sacrifices of animals are offered to the pagan gods

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            so you see your own comments ? they were invaders . So that is not their land anyways by logic and need to cross back the European land bridge and go back . So the Bison need to claim that land not the so called ‘NATIVE AMERICANS’

          • sherry

            Read what you wrote and come again?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            They were not native from America ! they were invaders !

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THEY CAME FROM SOME OTHER LAND BRINGING THEIR STUPID POTATO EYES gods WITH THEM , SO THE TRUE GOD DESTROYED THEM

          • sherry

            Never said prehistoric man crossing the ice age land bridge was an invader. You are so foolish, ignorant, stupid, probably lazy too. And now a liar.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            but they invaded other peoples property . So they should go back from where they came from .

        • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

          No one can claim any land on earth as their Native land . All the so called Native people were invaders in the first place . Only the Land that is not to be touched is the Land of Israel chosen by God. Mostly every Native tribe on earth have some evil practices which lead to destruction or killing of the human beings , be it in the form of sacrificial rituals, abortion , Satti , killing of the girl child , etc , etc . All these are for satan . All disguised practices that lead to destruction of the soul . We need to always check the fine print in every religious practices .Only in Christ there is hope , rest all religions have some evil practices that always lead the human astray .

          • sherry

            You are nuts! There has been more war, fighting and death on Gods Holy Hill then almost any place else I can think of anywhere in the world throughout all history.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            no you are nuts .. just because there was no internet in those days , you think it was all good and peaceful ? dont you see the mass ancient graves discovered and such violence committed by these pagan indians ?

          • sherry

            No, I don’t not in North America.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            then search and you will find ..

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            which hill you are talking about?

        • sherry

          Because the Native American’s were unfortunately conquered by Europeans and then the Europeans were then conquered by colonists, and the conquering colonists became the United State of America. They are an English speaking country.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Native Americans worshiped STUPID potato eyes gods just like in India some stupid gods are worshiped , they were good for nothing and hence they got defeated . Simple !

          • sherry

            Keep talking. Your cracking me funny funny False prophet.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            you will laugh when you see those stupid looking gods in India . potato , onion , and what not shape eyes …these are gods for them who save them . they look worst than cartoons

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            IF PEOPLE DONT USE THEIR BRAINS AND WORSHIP SOME NONSENSE IDIOTIC LOOKING gods AND THEN COMPLAIN THAT THE CHRISTIANS DESTROYED THEM THEN ITS ONLY COMMON SENSE THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE THE RIGHT GOD AND NOT SOME IDIOTIC VEGETABLE EYES gods . IF THEY ARE HUMANS THEN THESE NATIVE OR WHAT EVER NONSENSE THEY ARE CALLED WILL MAKE VEGETABLE OUT OF THESE STUPID gods AND TURN TO THE TRUE GOD . WHY SHOULD WE FEEL SORRY IF THEIR STUPID gods ALLOWED THEM TO GET DESTROYED ?

          • sherry

            Could you please tell me how we got to potato eyed God? My first post to you I believe was about the migration of early North American natives from East to West over the land bridge during the last ice age. Then you claimed that North American Native Nations held human sacrifice, and cannibalism before Europeans arrived and conquered. I asked you to name one just one tribe. Not only couldn’t you name a single Nation you start with this nonsense about vegetable eyed Gods? I have gone throughout your post to me and you are absolutely NUT’S. ( please note the all Capitol letters?, yeah? OK, edict dictates that all capital letter indicates screaming, yelling and all around just RUDENESS.) Also you really have misinterpreted your scripture. Intelligent responsible, practicing Catholics every where are cringing at your defense of a ancient and grand religion the Holy Church. Because you are such a sorry lone some loser (and I don’t have any thing else to do) I am going to go through evey one of your ignorant post. Pointing out all the way how truly stupid you really are. I do this in hope that 1)YOU LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY USE THE THIS AND ALL DISCUSSION BOARDS. 2) That you are responsible for what you post and deserve every comment I make about your incredible stupidity. 3) To shame you so badly that I never hear from you again.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            WHO CARES FOR THE STUPID NATIVE CULTURE . THEIR gods ARE DEAD .

          • sherry

            Well my dear I care about the Native culture because they have a terrific testimony on the Salvation of Christ. They once were lost but now have been found. Glory to God!

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Yes , as long as their potato eyes dead gods are gone , so I have no issues

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            their potato eyes gods and their stupid culture is not going to save you and take you to heaven . Only the Catholic Church ad the Holy Eucharist can save you .

          • sherry

            Jesus found me where I was, just like I was and he saved me. He died for me. And nobody can keep you out of Heaven but yourself and hardness of the heart. Please do not worry about me.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            so respecting dead potato eyes gods is a sin

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Potato eyes gods are dead and you too will go where they are now if you respect them

      • Jacqueleen

        You are speaking about the legal immigration rules and regulations….We are invaded by refugees from the Middle East (being paid to come here) and by illegal migrants from south of the border. IMHO, THEY SHOULD ALL BE SENT BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AND BORDERS CLOSED…They should do what our grandparents did. They saved their money and applied to come here and once here they assimilated into the American Culture. We must stop this insanity….and the church should be told. IT IS OUR DUTY TO CORRECT THE ERRORS OF THE CLERGY..

        • sherry

          Your duty to correct the clergy? If you are Catholic I must remind you that Catholicism is not a democracy. Nor are its teaching, or Tradition up for debate. To bad you disagree so strongly against this absolutely great man leading the Church today. Because again you do not look very far past your own nose. You see the Catholic Church is and has been in the greatest struggle since Constantine. They scandal with Priests and children not to mention the corrupt banking practices of the Vatican. Nobody wanted to be Pope, the last one resigned. This man, when taking this office approached his “flock” and asked for prayer’s in helping him Shepard Gods people. He has been called the worlds Shepard. He it seems to me, putting forth the love and compassion of Christ, in today’s unforgiving world. Again you sound foolish. Please just get in Scriptures and go to Mass! Because you are passionate, just misguided.

          • Jacqueleen

            For your information, the Communists infiltrated the Roman Catholic Church in the early 1920-s and are many of the Bishops of today, so, you cannot blame the Catholic Church and its Doctrine for the behavior and decisions of the Communists Bishops. Pope Francis is a Communist and has been involved in Liberation Theology for many years even though he denies it.. It is fact. Check out the Argentina Newspapers…Then, who lies? Certainly not a vicar of Christ…Then, Christ, Himself said that the gates of Hell shall not prevail over His church…..Enough said.

          • sherry

            Again re reading your post the one I responded to, you were saying it is your job to correct the clergy, since the subject is about Catholicism I wanted to remind you and any one listening to you that the Catholic Church is not a democracy. So you have NO duty to correct the clergy. I am not in Argentina, nor am I Catholic. But I am a reasonable adult with better then highschool education. And am very well versed in Biblical Scripture. He did say that the Gates of hell will not prevail over his Church. But I am not sure how you are using the reference here. Oh and I highly doubt they are Communist, they like their money and will never let another institute themselves in their finances. Please list your reference for the Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Thank you

          • Jacqueleen

            Since you are not a Catholic, you would not be aware of the fact that we are encouraged to correct the clergy…Indeed, the Dubia Cardinals, Burke, Brandmuller, Carrera and (deceased Meisner) gave Francis another letter for explanation of A.L. and if he does not respond, the Cardinals will take it to a correction of error step.

            Then, please do your homework….I’m tired of doing it for you.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_Dodd

          • sherry

            If you have ever used the internet for research, the firsts thing you learn is not to use Wikipedia for your reference. It just not acceptable. Even my highschool children know not to use Wikipedia for their home work!

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            TELL THOSE NATIVE IDIOTS TO WORSHIP SOME SENSIBLE gods AND NOT SOME STUPID LOOKING gods .

          • sherry

            Do you know that Christ said you must believe like a little child to enter into heaven? Did you know that God promises to confound the wise? Do you believe that Gods ways, Gods thoughts are so much higher ,wiser ,so complex that man can’t comprehend them. And he must speak to us in the simplest terms? Did you know God was Spirit? Did you know God is described as a consuming fire? What does God look like do you think? What do think Jesus looked like? Did Christ come for all mankind or just a few? God said he is descerns the heart of man. He said his Word is a double edge sword cutting bone to the marrow and the Spirit from the Soul. He isn’t a rescpector of Man. Do you understand what he means when he says those things? What does it mean to you? What does the Catholic Church say about those Words God spoke to us? Do you know? I do.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            YES , I AM A LITTLE CHILD AND CAN SEE POTATO ONIONS AND ALL VEGETABLES ON THOSE STUPID PAGAN gods

          • sherry

            You Sir are just what you claim to be a Rapist and False Prophet.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            YES , INSULTING SOME FALSE PROPHET IS NOT A SIN .

          • sherry

            It is written in Gods Holy Word that you will be judged for every word you speak. God said if you and his Word is not accepted to leave and to shake dust of that town from your feet as you go. He also says that you should take care in anger that you do not sin. Jesus never said to kill,steal,or destroy. I think that was the Father of lies, Satan. Have you asked yourself seriously who do you serve? Christ, God, Satan, yourself? Who do you serve with all your protest of some (where you got it from I don’t know) potato eyed god? Who are you serving what God? I barely recognize my sweet Jesus in you.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            So when did Jesus Christ tell us to respect false prophets?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            SO WHEN DID CHRIST TELL US TO RESPECT DEAD VEGETABLES AND FALSE PROPHETS?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THAT NAME IS FOR YOUR IDIOTIC POTATO EYES gods AND HIS FALSE PROPHET

          • sherry

            Have you checked recently how many Native Americans are Catholic? Is Catholicism the leading Christian religion among the American Native Nations? It use to be not that long a go, however there has been such a huge movement in religions in the last 15 years I am not sure. But Catholicism was in the 19th century the religion of choice for the Native Nations in this Country. You are such an idiot! You shame Catholicism. AGAIN.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE TRUE AND CORRECT CHURCH , REST ARE MADE UP NONSENSE .

          • sherry

            Silly, silly man. I also believe the Catholic Church is true and I wish really wish it was infallible, but we know that isn’t true don’t we? Hiding sexual abuse of criminals. Making Church laws to prohibit Deacon’s, laymen and others from reporting sexual abuse in the Church. What about that nonsense?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EXISTED EVEN BEFORE THE BIBLE WAS EVEN COMPILED IN 393 AD BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH . I AM A CATHOLIC BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOCTRINE IS CORRECT . THOSE PRIESTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN SEX SCANDAL WILL GIVE THEIR OWN ACCOUNT TO GOD AFTER THEY DIE . MY DUTY AS A CATHOLIC IS TO ATTEND THE HOLY EUCHARIST AND FOLLOW THE SACRAMENTS PROPERLY . MY JOB IS NOT TO JUDGE ANY PRIEST , NUN , BISHOP , POPES , ETC .

          • sherry

            Funny Funny Catholic! The Catholic Church didn’t come about until Constantine conquest in 350? I would have to fact check my date to be certain, but 350 is close give or take a few years. Christ Resurrected 350 years before that. Those priest, they will give an account to God, but so will those who protect them. Pray for them, treat them, jail them but do not protect those who would hurt what Christ loves. Your job is to love what God loves and hate what he hates. And you are right as a Catholic you cannot correct the Church. But pray pray. Catholic or not I love the Holy Catholic Church, its teaching and Traditions and would not want her hurt, denied, or destroyed. But she cannot shelter wolfs in sheep clothing either. I am praying for the Church, the Pope, and the people.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            The governments and God is there to judge them . My job is to follow the sacraments of the Church

          • sherry

            Oh and What Sacraments would you be following? You who thinks Christ just “represented man” and in Truth Christ is the Resurrected Jesus, Who was fully God and fully Man. You are not a Catholic, nor a Christian. We were talking about when and why the early Church Father’s compiled the Bible heretic writings were mentioned, those heretics believed that Christ was not God,they said he was less then God. And he was God. Slain from the foundation of the world.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ came to earth to ‘REPRESENT’ man because mortal man does not have brains how to live and hence Jesus Christ had to come to earth to give brains for the mortal man

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THE HOLY EUCHARIST WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SACRAMENT . AND THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH . THIS IS MY JOB THAT I NEED TO DO AND NOT KEPT TO JUDGE ANY PRIEST NUNS BISHOPS ,POPES , ETC . JESUS WILL JUDGE THEM LIKE JUDAS

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            JESUS CHRIST CAME TO EARTH TO GIVE BRAINS TO THE MORTAL MAN HOW TO LIVE . JESUS CHRIST SHOWED MORTAL MAN WHAT IS REQUIRED AND WHAT IS NOT .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I know Jesus Represented man because Jesus is the Christ and not made
            from dust like the Mortal man . His flesh was flesh touch , feel , etc ,
            but was not the same flesh like the mortal mans flesh and blood …

          • sherry

            Christ was Fully Man Fully God. He came from the womb of a woman. And his flesh was just like my own. And guess what he Resurrected that mortal flesh giving Life from Death. Bringing froth Life from Death he destroyed death and Hell, he defeated Satan. The Salvation plan and all.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ is real flesh and blood ..humans are dead flesh and blood . Jesus Christ was untouched by Satan or any of his demons like mortal man

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Were the angels human flesh and blood who met the prophets ? So who
            created them? They looked like men so do you mean they were made from
            the same material like dust that man is made of ???

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Were the angels human flesh and blood who met the prophets ? So who
            created them? They looked like men so do you mean they were made from
            the same material like dust that man is made of ???

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            HERETICS WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE SACRAMENTS , BECAUSE DAILY SOME NEW HERETIC WILL COME UP AND MAKE UP HIS OWN FALSE CHURCH AND TAKE ALL HERETICS TO HELL

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            JESUS CHRIST SAID AND DID SO MUCH THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIT IT A SINGLE BOOK AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE GOSPEL . SO WE BELIEVE ITS NOT ONLY THE WRITTEN BOOK THAT IS PERFECT IT WAS REQUIRED THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THE ORAL COMMUNICATION THAT THE APOSTLES HAD PASSED DOWN TO GENERATIONS TO GENERATIONS . SO TO PRESERVE THE ORAL TRADITION IT WAS REQUIRED THAT THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN SO THAT THE WORD OF GOD DOES NOT GET INTERPRETED IN DIFFERENT MEANINGS AS YEARS GO BY .

            The one question that no protestant can answer sufficiently.
            Have a look at this 7 minute video and then explain

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwivE0ZlRC4?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            NOT MY JOB TO SEE WHO IS RAPING WHOM … THE COURTS ARE THERE TO JUDGE THEM OR CHRIST IS THERE .

          • sherry

            Please define made up? Martin Luther wept at what his Doctrine caused. He only wanted the Church to tone down her lustful and greedy ways. He wanted the people to read the scripture for themselves, he wanted Mass in a language of the people hearing it. He wanted the monasteries to help the poor. He wanted the Priest taught to read. His work was highjacked by King Henry the viii to confiscate the Church’s wealth for himself and to get a divorce. And run off with by those who would deny the truth. There are a lot of true Bible teaching, preaching Churches and they are not made up. I swear you are more entertaining then CNN right now and their pretty funny.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Heretics need to understand the Bible well and not just read it like some ordinary story book:

            Genesis 8:6 – Noah Sends a Raven and a Dove

            6Then it came about at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made; 7and he sent out a raven, and it flew here and there until the water was dried up from the earth. 8Then he sent out a dove from him, to see if the water was abated from the face of the land

            Here the Raven symbolizes the heretics that go out of the Arc ( true Church of Christ , THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ) . The Arc can only be the Church of Christ established by him . The Arc can only be the Blessed Virgin Mary ( Arc of The New Covenant ) The true Church of Christ the Catholic Church.

            So it is no surprise that even Satan will pray for forgiveness and on the last day and Christ will question Satan from where did he come from ?

            Job 2 1Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. 2And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

            Heretics will never get the true Body and Blood of Christ in the false Churches . Only the True Church laid down by Christ upon his apostles will survive the Judgment day . All outside the Arc will die . So does not mean just by praying and doing miracles that person will be saved .Christ only celebrated the Last Supped with his 12 Apostles and not with any random individual , no one has the right to celebrate the Holy Eucharist . Now those chosen by the Apostles are called to celebrate the Eucharist and forgive sins. This is the New Covenant .

            The Blessed Virgin Mary was NO DOUBT sinless . She was untouched by Satan or any demons . Original sin does not mean that it is embedded in our DNA Adam and Eve was not created with Original Sin, it only means that the ‘ORIGINAL’ satan at that garden of Eden is offering us all sorts of apples in all forms and tempting us right from the time we are born till we die. The Blessed Virgin Mary was protected from all forms of evil , hence we see the two Cherubim on both the sides of the Arc of the Covenant. This clearly explains that she was created pure and kept Holy. Once we die we will have to give an account for our own sins and we cannot blame our ancestors or Adam and Eve for our sins .

            (Deuteronomy 24:16)–“Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.”
            (Ezekiel 18:20)–“The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.”

            WE MUST VENERATE AND RESPECT THE ARC OF THE NEW COVENANT ( BLESSED VIRGIN MARY )JUST AS THE JEWS VENERATED AND RESPECTED THE OLD ARC OF THE COVENANT.
            JEWS DID NOT WORSHIP THE ARC OF THE COVENANT SAME WAY WE DO NOT WORSHIP THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY , WE RESPECT HER .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            BY LEAVING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LUTHER DID NOTHING GOOD . HE ONLY BROUGHT DEATH AND DESTRUCTION TO THE FAITHFUL . LUTHER HAD TO STAY IN THE CHURCH AND FIX IT . BY MAKING UP YOUR OWN RELIGION IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS . EVEN JUDAS WAS CHOSEN BY CHRIST .

          • sherry

            Luther was excommunicated, Catholicism has a long history of death and destruction of the Faithful. Luther tried the Reformation from the Church. My religion is the one God himself ordained and that is to walk humbly with my God looking after orphans and widows as go. And Jesus did not choose Judas. It ordained the one of 12 would betray Jesus, Jesus didn’t Choose Judas to betray him. And although my religion isn’t anybody’s but mine, I was very active with the poor, using my own money to help heat and feed many in my town. Ask the widows I visit, bring groceries to and comfort ask the many foster children I have sheltered, loved and protected. Ask them if my religion hasn’t solved some of their problems. Heretic and all. You will not shame me! And my love of God and the Things of God!

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I do not care who assassinated whom . They will pay for their sins and luther the moron will pay for his sins .. I know the Catholic Church is the right Church and I am proud of it and will remain a catholic .

          • sherry

            He was not Assassinated he was excommunicated. Do you know what that is? You Good, Proud loyal Catholic? You who doesn’t know Jesus Christ is Fully God and Fully Man? That thought Christ was a Temple, who claim’s Jesus Christ just represents man. And not really a flesh and blood human. You good Catholic or Christian that isn’t aware of the Salvation plan. Whatever you are you are not Catholic, you know nothing about Catholicism and very little at all about Christianity. You are not recognized as a follower of Christ.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            He was a traitor like Judas . So it is good he is gone since he did not repent for the nonsense he had done to the true faith . So I do not care

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            go and look at your own heretic pastors who are the worst .. who live in big mansions and luxury using the name of Christ and minting wealth . Not everyone who says Lord Lord will go to heaven . My Church was established even before the Bible was made into a Book

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            why the hell should I care what Luther the traitor wept for … I am following the correct doctrine , and if someone is not happy he can get out . I do not follow the Bible made up by men like Luther or any heretic on earth .

          • sherry

            Again, Luther did not change the teaching of Catholicism at all. It was a reformation of the clergy, he wanted Mass offered in the language of the people who were hearing it. He wanted the Church to distribute its wealth to the poor, he wanted honest monasteries and Abbeys. He wanted Priest the ability to read and he wanted the bible for everyone, not just the Royal’s and just the Church’s elites. It was a Reformation and he wasn’t a traitor. His work was highjacked and used against him.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            there are 72 Books in the Catholic Bible and the traitor fool luther removed 6 books and made his own Bible. Luther the idiot made up his own BS against the Catholic Church that we worship Mary and the saints .

          • sherry

            Luther did not remove any of those books. He wrote the Reformation and that had nothing to do with Teachings and Tradition of the Church, just the clergy. And he Luther never touched the Bible’s Books. Who are you? Who do you advocate for?.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Go google and find our for your self what that traitor Luther did to the Bible

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            luther was a greedy fool and wanted power of his own . he is dead and gone making a mess .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            AND THE CHURCH IS ALREADY DISTRIBUTING THE WEALTH IN SO MANY NATIONS LIKE INDIA , AFRICA . THE WORK OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EXCEEDS ANY OTHER HERETIC ORGANIZATION . YOU HAVE NO IDEA THAT BY DISTRIBUTING THE WEALTH IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE POVERTY OF THE WORLD .

          • sherry

            It was the Reformation, he tried to work in the Church but the Church is not Democracy. He never rewrote the Bible, he didn’t take anything from the Bible or add anything to the Bible. You are a fool for saying he did. And again know nothing on the history of Christianity or Catholicism. Not to mention a very poor historian.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            You cant reform the true Church . You can press charges on the priests , but not change the Doctrine of the Church and remove chapters from the Bible and write what ever comes to ones mind . Luther was an idiot . I follow the correct church founded by Jesus Christ upon his apostles and not some traitor like Luther who made up his own BS

          • sherry

            You are speaking so foolishly. Luther did not remove any books from the Bible. I told you already told what Martin Luther wanted to Reform and the Church Creed was never challenged. Who are you? Who do you serve? Who is your Master? You are not a subject of the Church, or Christ.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Doctrine of the Catholic Church is correct and will remain the true Church . We do not follow what some traitor like Luther had to say .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            luther is gone to hell and all who follow him will go to hell

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            lUTHER WAS AN IDIOT AND IS DEAD AND GONE TO HELL ..SO WILL ALL HERETICS GO TO HELL WITH LUTHER

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Luther was a traitor like Judas and is dead . The Catholic Church lives on . Such traitors come and go like Luther . I am a proud Catholic

          • sherry

            I do not believe your Catholic, Catholics know who Jesus is, they know why he came and they know why he was Crucified and they know he was Resurrected. You didn’t know any of that. You say Christ is Yahweh’s temple and he is not. Who are you?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            the Christ of Yahweh is Jesus . you do not understand the Bible

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Were the angels human flesh and blood who met the prophets ? So who
            created them? They looked like men so do you mean they were made from
            the same material like dust that man is made of?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            so the angels were made from what then?

          • sherry

            Did you take Holy Orders? Everyone you list above has taken the Holy Vows. Perhaps they can offer suggestions but the even they can correct the Church. But you my dear may not.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            OUR JOB IS NOT TO CORRECT ANYONE . OUR JOB IS TO FOLLOW THE PROPER DOCTRINE AND SACRAMENTS .

          • Letitia Makowski

            Sherry, you are so absolutely right in all that you say! Also very intelligent! Keep up the good work for Christ, we know that only those who are saved will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
            It surely is NOT just for the Catholics, Jesus warned us in the Bible about man made traditions and idols and statues and idolatry.
            He also tells us to warn the sinners of their sin.
            I am here because I ordered the book. No one said this is property of a Catholic site only.

          • sherry

            Thank you. I do love Catholicism, Traditions and Teachings but they do ignore the Scripture, 2 of the first 4 commandments and the gift of Grace. Jesus is the way to God, Salvation and Heaven and anyone telling you different is just wrong. God warns in distress My people perish for lack of knowledge. Some just do not want to pick up their Bibles. And Catholics have never promoted reading it for yourself and that is ashamed. Because I have found studying the Scripture along with Catholicism to be rewarding, enlightening and useful in preparing to meet Christ. But thanks for the support and the witnessing of the truth.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            YOU STUPID FOOL , CATHOLICS DO NOT HAVE IDOLS OF ANY gods . THEY ARE THE IMAGES OF HOLY SAINTS WHO HAVE SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES TO PRESERVE THE TRUE FAITH , THE CATHOLIC FAITH . WE VENERATE THE SAINTS AND WE ASK THEM TO PRAY FOR US , WE DO NOT WORSHIP THEM .

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            I AM A CATHOLIC BECAUSE OF THE HOLY EUCHARIST AND THE CORRECT DOCTRINE . JESUS CHRIST DID NOT PLACE ME IN THE CHURCH TO JUDGE PRIESTS OR POPES OR ANY ONE . YOU BE BOTHERED OF YOUR OWN SALVATION BY FOLLOWING THE SACRAMENTS PROPERLY . YOUR JOB IS NOT GO AND TELL WHO IS A SINNER AND WHO IS NOT . THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL DEAL WITH THEM AS HE DEALT WITH JUDAS .

          • sherry

            I have never called a sinner a sinner except myself, for I have fallen short of the Gods Glory. I have judged nobody but you and you only because you do not have a Christian or Catholic testimony of Christ. You have been consistently wrong about Jesus Divinity, You do not understand the basic fundamental Christian believes. You are confused on the Trinity. Do not know the temple of God is the heart of a believer, be they Catholic or heretical Protestant. You just haven’t had Catholicism up bringing or education, and it shows. Brand new baby Christians understand the Divinity of Christ. And you do not know Catechism, or the Bible and it shows. And I work out my Salvation in trembling and fear, because St Paul suggest I do. And Christ didn’t deal with Judas, he turned him over to the evils of his own heart and he hung himself, Christ did nothing to Judas except tell him what he was going to do.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Jesus Christ was not from this world . Even humans are not from this world . But we are made from this dust . Jesus Christ was not made from Dust . His flesh was not like Human flesh . Jesus Christ did not have a fixed face , hence no one could describe how Jesus Christ looked like . Jesus Christ is the New Covenant and represented the entire Human Race . You have no understanding of the Bible and Jesus Christ because you are not thinking out of this world . If you think of worldly things you will remain in this world only like the pagans

          • sherry

            Christ very much had a face and it is not recorded what he physically looked like because that just is not important. However the Bible said he was commonly but not homily or beautiful. There was nothing to physically draw people to him. People were drawn to him anyway because he was Immanuel. God among us. Fixed face!! what are you? Ridiculous I know. I believe God when he told me that when the Comforter comes, I will need no man teach me, or tell me right from wrong because the Comforter will never leave me and he will never forsake me. Knowing Christ personally and acknowledging the power of the Holy Spirit that dwells within my Soul, giving Life to my Spirit and me Eternal Life, I am Spiritually alive and very aware of Principalities and Strongholds in High Places. And you appears you are trapped like a rat. I thought you said that the Noah’s Ark was the Covenant? And that the Ark of Noah some how Mary?. Before you get goofier I know Mary is the Ark of the Covent and will be revealed in Heaven. So don’t start. You play with me sir, you have never read the Bible. What are you?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            You nut case … Jesus Christ did not have a fixed face . Hence Judas had to kiss his cheek to show the Roman Soldiers who to arrest

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            Were the angels human flesh and blood who met the prophets ? So who
            created them? They looked like men so do you mean they were made from
            the same material like dust that man is made of ??

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            KEEP YOUR IDIOTIC NONSENSE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF ONLY . YOU KNOW HEAD NOR TAIL OF THE BIBLE AND TEACHING ME ABOUT JESUS CHRIST . BTW THE TRINITY ITSELF IS MADE UP DOCTRINE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH . USELESS IDIOTS LIKE YOU WILL COME UP WITH YOUR OWN STUPID HERETIC NONSENSE .

          • sherry

            You did not know Jesus was the Son of God until I told you. You believe Jesus was a temple, You said Jesus Christ was not human: flesh, blood and bone. You didn’t know God by any Name other the Yahweh. And you didn’t even know what you were doing when you said that. You insisted that God spoke face to face with the Biblical Patriarchs and Prophets and he only spoke face to face with Moses. You thought Jesus just represented Mankind. Tell me what the Virtues are in Catholicism list three of them. Tell me about Catholicism Grace. Explain to me the Eucharist. Can you tell me about the Trinity. Why would the Sacraments be withheld from a Catholic? Which ones are forbidden to practice for some Catholics and why? The Doctrine you gave me is not Catholicism. Or Christian. No its not my responsible to call a sinner a sinner for we have all fallen short of Gods Glory. But I must yell wolf when there is one in the flock. You may somehow be given the Eucharist but you do not have the Catholicism Doctrine. I haven’t ever heard a Doctrine like yours before. St Paul says to workout your Salvation with trembling and fear. I take him seriously. Please respond to my questions even a few like 3 of the Virtues in the Catechism. And the Trinity. Can you tell me why Catholics have a Crucifix ( Christ on the Cross) And Protestant have an empty Cross? Tell me besides consuming the Holy Eucharist what else makes you Catholic?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            keep your BS to yourself ..you did not read and understand the Bible in the first place . You have no idead what is the meaning of Original sin, You do not know who the Nephelim are , you do not know who those potato eyes gods are , you do not know why Yahweh told Moses to destroy those people in the promised land . AND YOU COME AND TRYING TO TELL ME WHO IS JESUS CHRIST ?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            You do not understand head nor tail of the Bible . Were the angels human flesh and blood who met the prophets ? So who created them? They looked like men so do you mean they were made from the same material like dust that man is made of ?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            WERE THE ANGELS WHO VISITED THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST MADE FROM DUST LIKE MORTAL MEN? YOU IDIOTS USE EXTRA BRAIN TO THINK WHEN EVERYTHING IS JUST SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND . GOD DOES NOT MAKE THINGS COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING TO UNDERSTAND . EVERYTHING IS CRYSTAL CLEAR AND ALL THE DOCTRINES ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR WHICH IS THE CORRECT CHURCH . THE TRINITY IS THE DOCTRINE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH , THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION IS FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT IS ALL CORRECT . WE DO NOT NEED STUPID HERETICS TELLING US STUPID MADE UP NONSENSE .

      • Juan Hernandez

        And yet you probably should be speaking a dialect of native American as the early settlers did not do this with the native Americans. So this argument is moot! Manifest destiny having been imposed and land being taken from the native American throughout America and from the Mexicans in the southern part also known as Texas. So who should learn who’s language and culture? This article only fits those with personal agendas is in a stolen land!

        • sherry

          You bring up an interesting argument. However North America was conquered and colonised by a stronger nation with superior weapons and technology. That Nation became the United States of America, and we are an English speaking country. One of the first things early immigrants did when they wanted to become a citizen of our great nation was to learn the English language. See when my Irish and German grandparents came over,they had to learn English in order to take and study for citizenship. Because it was only in English by law, also you had to make your pledge in English. It has only been in recent history that that it is offered in foreign languages.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            THOSE NATIVE IDIOTS HAD IDIOTIC gods AND NOT WORTH RESPECTING . AND EVERY IDIOTIC LOOKING gods NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED .

          • sherry

            God thought everyone was worth respecting. He sent his Son in the likeness of sinful man, yet without sin himself to restore man to fellowship with himself. Didn’t Jesus say to throw the first stone if you are without sin didn’t he? What do you think God says of someone who would throw the first stone anyway? Did Jesus say to destroy anything? Wasn’t it Christ who said to go and spread his Word and of those who do not believe to shake the dust off your feet as you leave? Where did Jesus Christ say go and destroy? Do you really know what Gods people should do to those who do not believe? What would Jesus do?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            GOD SENT HIS SO FOR THE HUMANS AND NOT FOR THE POTATO EYES gods

          • sherry

            What potato eyed Gods are you talking about ? Your an ignorant idiot and I have run out of time today.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            ALL PAGAN gods HAVE POTATO EYES . SO THEY ARE GOOD AS DEAD VEGETABLES

          • sherry

            Oh please, however if you are in need of prayer, or where to look in scriptures for the truth and Word of God, I will help and really not make fun if you anymore.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            when did Jesus Christ tell us to respect potato eyes gods?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            SO WHEN HAS IT SUDDENLY TURNED OUT TO BE THAT MAKING FUN OF DEAD VEGETABLES A SIN?

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO RESPECTS POTATO EYES gods . I DO NOT WANT TO RESPECT ANY OF THEM .

          • sherry

            Never even suggested you should. Just told you Northern American Indian Nations never had human sacrifice nor were they cannibals. All I said about any pagan God.

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            See this whit your own potato eyes who the North Americans worshiped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g-gW6TSPxA&t=37s

          • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

            google and see the who were those gods who lived in the North America .

    • Elizabeth

      We can help them do that by sending via e-mail to every Priest and Deacon you know…..and….by posting this on social media and on the FB pages of leaders of the church! Help it go viral…!!!

      • ron44

        done..fb twitter

    • goodwater

      Jerry, I just copied the article and plan to sent it to my parish priest. How about you doing the same thing. In fact, I’ll also send it to my Bishop.

      This suggestion is also addressed to all the commenters below.

      • Lisa

        What good will that do?

        • Cerando

          It is the mustard seed that grows. Faith does not work on securities given. Refer the viral internet.

          • Lisa

            I’m sorry, I’m feeling a bit pessimistic these days. I do love the article. In fact I wrote most of it down,so as to remember it all. It’s fascinating. Good evening.

          • Cerando

            You are watching the waves. Look to Christ. At a very bad stage in my life, I learned to forgive. I made it the central activity of my spiritual guidance. I realize only now that one of the very best benefits I received was that my eyes returned to Christ.

            Simple forgiveness and release of all your problems into the hands of God releases you from all those distractions. But you have to diligently practice it daily and apply it to any and everything that enters your mind. The first thing I had to learn was to release my tightly held responsibility as I was taught. I had to freely accept God’s promise that He would take up my burden. The second was that I had to practice unrelenting honesty . . . with myself. This is the danger. Your conscience is going to nail you on every aspect for which you forgive others. Try it! It’s a very rough tide, it will rattle your cage, chatter your teeth and cleanse you like a scrubbing brush! It will also lock you into an extremely close relationship to God and Christ. Never again will you feel God is far away.

            Talk to God through Christ directly. He is the way and the life.

            Question.
            What is the one thing in your life which has guided you in ALL aspects from a burnt finger to a moral dilemna?
            Answer.
            Your conscience. It works 24/7. Look very closely.

            Question.
            Name one instance in which it has failed you, not including when you slapped it on the head, ignored it, rationalized it dead. That little voice; Liza!

            I don’t think you can. That means it is perfect. Only God is perfect. Ergo your conscience is the Spirit of God. It stands to reason. God, through His Word told us He blew his breath into our noses. We remain human and yet we may be in very close and direct communion with Him if we want to. We turn things like this into mysteries simply because we just cannot accept that God will speak to us directly. We are all admonished to have a close relationship with Him, yet how can it happen if He does not return that favour?

            Go Liza! Miracles await you.

          • Patsy Koenig

            You are right to feel pessimistic, Lisa. We are in the End Times; and things will get worse…before they get better. But take heart…things will get better after a few more years of tribulation…at the Second Coming, which will beginning the Reign of Peace, aka the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary foretold at Fatima in 1917.

          • Mike

            Patsy …
            It may be a lot less than a few years.
            The Catholic visionary (prophet) Charlie Johnson believes we are in the middle of a storm, and cultural civil war, which will get much worse during the coming year, culminating in a ‘rescue’ by The Immaculate Heart of Mary in late 2017.
            This will be the beginning of the period of peace foretold by Mary at Fatima.
            It is well worth visiting his website … Google: Charlie Johnson ‘The Next Right Step’

          • Stacy

            The Bible says the tribulation will last 3 1/2 years. I don’t believe the tribulation is almost over. It is just beginning.

          • Mike

            Stacy …
            Thanks for that.
            However, I have to say there is some confusion about this.
            The three and a half years tribulation, mentioned in the Bible, refers to the reign of Antichrist, which is followed by the return of Christ. No one knows when that will be.

            The present tribulation (which has been going on since 1917 and has included 2 world wars and many revolutions, plus growing secularism, unjust, anti-Christian laws, wholesale abortion, and cultural warfare, in the formerly, Christian nations) is that prophesied by Mary at Fatima, which she promised would be followed by a period of peace. This is the promised prevailing of Her Immaculate Heart over evil, it is not the return of Christ, or the end of the world.
            I would advise people to read what Charlie Johnson has to say about it, so we can be prepared for what is to come, which he thinks is very soon.

          • Donna Cummings

            I don’t know by what authority Charlie speaks but I would recommend going to mej.com to see what else Mary has to say, since she has been coming for 35 years giving us messages. More recent than Fatima.

          • Mike

            Donna …
            Fatima is officially approved by the Catholic Church. So, in loyalty to the Church we are obliged to accept it

          • RainingAgain

            Mike, I think that the rule is that one is not compelled or obliged to accept private prophesy(all the visions and revelations which have taken place since the completion of the New Testament), which is the category to which Fatima belongs, ‘officially approved by the Catholic Church’.

          • MA Bd

            Mike, according to Catholic teaching, we are not “obliged” to accept the Fatima apparitions, but the Church’s approval encourages us to do so.

          • Mike

            Hi MA Bd
            Yes, I think that is correct.
            And, as the prophesies made by Mary at Fatima, have proven to be true up to now, it would be quite foolish not to take the message of Fatima seriously.
            No one knows for sure when the period of peace fortold by Mary will take place, but we can be sure that it is still to happen before the end of the world.
            Many people are saying that this year (2017) will be especially significant. It is certainly something to consider, because this year several, relevant centenaries occur. It is the centenary of the apparitions at Fatima, and also the centenary of the Russian revolution, which was the beginning of Russia spreading the errors (of atheistic communism) around the world, as prophesied by Mary at Fatima.
            Also significant is the fact that this year is the fifth centenary of the protestant Reformation begun by Martin Luther which divided Christianity.
            World events in the last 12 months have exposed the serious divisions in society. Especially the culture war of Christian values versus secular humanist/atheist, situational ethics and moral relativism, This is surely is the culmination of the errors spread around the world since the Russian revolution.

          • Rons Abhish

            Mike could be true mother mary told if countries follow US &US being a country for christian values God for sure will give us peaceful time &Europe will follow his master,let us pray.

          • OMG

            Hi Mike,
            Do you by any chance have the scriptural reference for the three-and-a-half-year idea? Do you take that literally? Could it be figurative also, as in God created everything in seven days while the objectivity of science suggests it took much longer? I’m thinking of that other scriptural idea that one day to man is like a thousand years to God, or something like that (I don’t have the exact words since I don’t know the reference here either.) And Jesus saying we are not to know the day hour. Thanks.

          • Mike

            Hi OMG, thanks for your comment and question.
            There are several references in scripture of three and a half years for the reign of Antichrist.
            In Dan. 7:25 it says that; after the ceasation of the perpetual sacrifice (the Holy Eucharist) they shall be delivered into his hands for ‘a time and times and half a time’. A ‘time’ is interpreted by St. Jerome and others, as a year, and ‘times’ is interpreted as two years.
            This is repeated in Rev. 12:14 referring to the woman (the church) fleeing to the desert to be nourished for a time and times and half a time from the face of the serpent.
            Furthermore, Rev: 11:2 removes all doubt about the timescale “the holy city they shall tread underfoot two and forty months” i.e. three and a half years.
            Finally, Daniel actually gives the exact number of days for the “abomination of desolation” … “1290 days”, which is just a few days over three and a half years (Dan. 12:11).

          • Rons Abhish

            thanks to your isdom

      • FedUp2

        I’ve done this to my very liberal pastor and bishops and got NO reply, as expected. The truth be told, all churches are in on this. Don’t believe me, Google “Refugee Resettlement Watch” and find out the main churches being paid big money to sponsor all these refugees, and then dump them on our communities, all for the sake of money. They have all sold their souls to the highest bidder.

        • Jacqueleen

          His name is Lucifer…don’t be afraid to say it! Truth be known!

        • Jacqueleen

          There will be a schism in the church…no doubt, simply for the way this Pope is handling things. Just paying attention to what he does is enough to know that he is a Communist/Liberation Theology and in bed with the New World Order Evil doers, for example, the reduction of the penalty for pedophile priests and re-instating the Italian priest that Pope Benedict XVI, Emeritus laicized and more recently his involvement with the Pontifical conference on depopulation. Then, the obvious way he is on the prowl to defrock Raymond Cardinal Burke. The list goes on. The Pope must resign.

          At the risk of sounding like Pope Francis, “There is no such thing as a refugee! These people are being sent here with an ulterior motive and we are the fools for accepting this invasion. ISIS was created and is funded partly by the USA and Saudi Arabia. First, we were invaded by the Hispanics from Mexico and South America and now it is from the Middle East….Things happen in 3’s so the next will probably be from Africa or China. This strategy is priming us for the New World Order..open borders…one government..one central bank…and one religion, run by the UN!

          As for the money, I agree that it has a lot to do with the whole situation. Perhaps you are unaware that George Soros has donated approx. $1,000,000 to the Catholic Church….Money talks even in Godly places!
          Again, this pope should resign and many of the Bishops who kiss A— should too.

          • Rons Abhish

            Hi Jacqueleen,I can not believe catholic church took money from George soros,this is the 30 silver coins,are we as catholic taking the place of Scariot,Judas?
            I wish we all either pay attention to Medjugorje messages or messages at Holy love ministry,mother Mary is our refuge,she will not abandon us,her messages are sweet to our mouth
            and the balm for our aches.

          • Jacqueleen

            Please pray for Our Lady of America to be enshrined in the National Basilica in Washington, DC as she requested of Sr. Mary Ephrem in an apparition. Our Lady of America promised if she is enshrined that she will protect this country from war on its soil and from catastrophic events. Furthermore, she promised that there will be more miracles from Pilgrimages to her shrine here in Washington, DC than in Fatima and Lourdes put together. The devotion to OLA was in litigation for several years, but went as high as the Supreme Court and the USCCB has been granted ownership of the devotion….However, some months ago, we signed a petition to the Bishops because they have been dragging their feet enshrining Our Lady of America. Litigation was won about a year ago…The Bishops now claim that they formed a committee to make it happen. Pray that it does soon…before a catastrophe happens. Thank you. http://www.ourladyofamerica.org.

          • Ameripat

            Thank you for the information. I have never heard of this apparition!

          • Jacqueleen

            Your welcome. Pass this on. I hope you went to the site and saw her image. She is outstandingly beautiful with an aura of determination and power. I was fortunate to see the statue years ago before all the litigation. It was traveling around the country to enlighten parishes of her devotion….OUR LADY OF AMERICA!
            She is not to replace our patron saint, Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception…She is one and the same to us.

      • Jacqueleen

        Please send it to Pope Francis. Thank you. I’m sick of the open borders kick and the humanitarian thing! Aren’t you?

        • Aleteia

          Me too!

    • msueh

      Not only Catholic leaders, but ALL leaders and ALL politicians whatever their church of choice.

    • Jacqueleen

      There is an ulterior motive for all of this invasion coming from the Middle East and from south of the border…And when the church and the government turn their heads the other way…you can be assured that they are in agreement with this mess which will eventually cause us to lose our identity, our sovereignty and become the one world order…open borders, etc. Oh, what money can buy! This and the pope’s nonsense are enough to make one think about another religion! This new Catholicism is making me question, what happened to the religion that I was baptized into as an infant? I want it back along with my country!

    • FedUp2

      The CC is NOT on the same page – look at Pope Francis on our Southern Border advocating for an open border policy. He’s from Argentina, and is NOT on the same page as the US. His liberal agenda speaks volumns of where he stands, and I disagree w/ him on almost everything.

    • TruthShallPrevail

      Yes. “A nation must practice justice and charity towards all, including foreigners, but it must above all safeguard the common good and its unity, without which no country can long endure”

      This means that a country has no obligation whatever to persons who openly declare they hate you and are determined to destroy you. Unfortunately, so few Moslems actually wish to integrate
      into the host country’s values. Indeed
      ** Islam is (according to the Quran itself) NOT a “religion of peace” but of open
      war against the “Infidel” (ie non-believers).
      ** Ms Ayam Hirsi Ali, a former Moslem who has rejected Islam confirms this and
      warns us: “… make no mistake” … that “Islam is a man-made political (extreme
      Fascist) ideology MASQUERADING as a RELIGION!” (paraphrased) devised by an
      extreme narcissistic misogynist control-freak, with a sadistic sense of humor
      and who cunningly borrowed — to make his ideology more palatable — a few “motherhood
      statements” and one or two Judaeo-Christian concepts.
      ** These are just SOME of the dangers to the entire planet now:
      ***
      The savage ideology of Islam (especially the murderous mandate by Mohamed to
      “kill all ‘infidels’“ who dare to disagree with Islam – see Quran (9:5) — (we have seen it includes any person who dares to leave Islam) THIS AMOUNTING to ISLAMO-FASCISM) being an automatic impenetrable barrier to integration even into the most tolerant, democratic,
      civilized society.
      *** In fact the Koran verses in which Islam finds Justifications for PRE-EMPTIVE strikes of TERROR to conquer, murder, maim, persecute and enslave without mercy any opposition and to eventually set up a global caliphate – see Quran (2:216)
      *** Institutionalised cultural ADULTEROUS POLYGAMY (the cruelty of multiple wives kept under strict tyranny and with NO human rights AND in virtual SEXUAL SLAVERY and with NO
      ESCAPE;
      *** In fact Islam accepts SLAVERY as legitimate – especially enslavement of captured enemies”; alternately, “enemies” may be shown “mercy” by being allowed to exist (for a while), as long as they agree to first convert to Islam and to pay the “dhimmi tax” which eventually taxes their “enemies” out of existence altogether. See Quran (9:29)
      *** and Allowing husbands to beat their wives for the slightest “misdemeanor” = condoning institutionalsed cultural DOMESTIC VIOLENCE;
      *** Institutionalsed cultural PEDOPHILIA (some “wives” being children as young as 8 years old (see Pru Goward’s evidence and recent news footage of Imams proclaiming many such “child marriages” even here in Australia, and ordering the 8-year old child-bride “you must now completely obey your husband”);
      *** and genital mutilation is institutionalized cultural CHILD ABUSE.
      *** Indeed, Islam further promises to any jihadist a ‘heaven’ as an ‘eternal brothel’ of 72
      virgins to be ‘deflowered’ at whim.
      *** Many Islamic immigrants have several wives but – in order to gain entry into Australia and to all kinds of benefits (compliments of the taxpayer) – have mis-represented them as widowed relatives needing assistance, etc.- then costing the unsuspecting taxpayer unsustainable MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS = mis-directed hard-earned taxpayer funds to people who declare themselves as “enemies of the state” and refusing to integrate and accept the values of their new land.
      *** Even adults denied freedom of speech — this being aided and abetted by stupid politicians, the “politically-correct” and “journalists” terrified to upset this ugly mob by FAILING TO QUESTION their UGLY IDEOLOGY of SAVAGERY and to hold them to account. This persistent reluctance also THREATENING to shut down any debate/free-speech on this subject (“political
      correctness gone mad”).
      *** The most prestigious Islamic university in the world today is Cairo’s al-Azhar. While the university is very quick to condemn secular Muslims who critique the religion, it has NEVER condemned ISIS as a group of infidels DESPITE horrific carnage IN THE NAME OF ALLAH.

      *** NOTE: When asked why, the university’s Grand Imam, Ahmed al-Tayeb explained: “Al Azhar cannot accuse any [Muslim] of being a kafir [infidel], as long as he believes in Allah and the Last Day — EVEN IF HE COMMITS EVERY ATROCITY.”

      So the ISIS of today (mark 2) is YET ANOTHER resurgence of the old Islam of the middle ages
      (ISIS Mark 1) – a brutal ideology devised by an obsessed extremist power-hungry fanatic – that employs ISLAMO-FASCISM and TERROR – intent on spreading their evil fascism via their “caliphates” and slavery throughout the world; indeed the Koran prescribing PRE-EMPTIVE strikes of TERROR and physical conflict as being “good for you” and that “Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers” – “to slay the infidel wherever you find him” – see Quran (2:216), Quran (5:33).
      *** As Sheik Mohammad Tawhidi explained (following an atrocity against innocent civilians): “In their eyes the attackers are martyrs who are going to paradise. And if they stand for a minute
      of silence they are against their Muslim brothers who fought for jihad and fought the infidels.”
      *** “As twisted as these values may be, it’s beginning to look as though secular values aren’t
      up to the job of opposing them. The trouble with secular values when they are cut off from their Judeo-Christian roots is that they are then ARBITRARY. [so what happens to] Autonomy? Dignity? Equality? Says who?”

      LESSON for the WEST:
      *** “IF there is no God,” wrote Dostoevsky, “everything is permitted” [and so all manner of abuses become permissible, even fashionable or desirable, then inevitable].
      *** Secularism has NO God and, therefore, NO ultimate standard of judgment. The
      end result is that each man then becomes his own god and does his own thing while it suits him—even if that “thing” involves the exploitation of childhood innocence.
      *** Islam, on the other hand, does believe in a God of sorts — but NOT the God Dostoevsky had in mind.
      The God of Islam is an arbitrary despot whose commands are NOT rooted in
      reason, love, or justice.”
      *** For their part, Western liberals would do well NOT to sacrifice critical thinking to the ’god of political correctness’, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that it IS both different and dangerous.
      *** There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally… and too many others who
      couldn’t care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.
      *** Unfortunately, the sheer wild-eyed SAVAGE BARBARISM of ISLAM makes it an ENEMY
      of EVERY CIVILISED culture on the planet:
      — I have seen documentary footage of the frightful trauma of victims of ISIS sobbing as they
      confirm a woman’s encounter with ISIS – where she was prevented from feeding her infant for 3 days; and when the baby cried in desperation, it was beheaded and thrown back to her; and also where many of the girls had been kidnapped for sexual slavery, until they escaped and with many hundreds of young “sex-slaves” yet to be freed.
      — This is savagery that could only be a MANIFESTATION of SATAN who now has unprecedented power on the planet — because of the unprecedented level of “individual, national and global sins.”
      *** Another significant problem confronting the West: is (instead of willingly integrating
      into societies who have given them asylum) — the (recent) invitation by some Islamic “academics” for the insertion into Western Laws of many parts of Sharia Law (however uncivilized the savagery may be and/or to have parallel sets of laws, even if these differing sets of laws would be in direct conflict.
      *** Can you imagine the ensuing physical confrontations / civil unrest?

      LESSONS for the WEST:
      *** Even the early Christians banished intractable evil-doers from their midst or tried and jailed them.
      *** In the same way, CIVILISED cultures have NO OBLIGATION whatever to people who DEMAND to carry out their brutal mandates of ideologies that DEMAND to DESTROY US – even while they MASQUERADE as “religions.”

      WHY? Because “A nation must practice justice and charity towards all, including foreigners, but it must above all safeguard the common good and its unity, without which no country can long endure”

  • albertbryson

    Quite frankly we have allowed to many illegals immigrants in who are not really interested in integrating into our American society. They are not interested in learning to speak English and learning the true history of our country and are taking advantage of the various welfare programs without paying their fair share. While I am compassionate for those who fled their nation because of persecution. Most of those are coming into the United States believe that they will be allowed to stay which is wrong. We need to deport those who are criminals and not allowed them back in.

    • AZ-Ike

      In order to fairly apply our immigration laws, we need to deport anyone who enters (or stays in) the country illegally.

      • albertbryson

        Remember we the taxpayers will pay to deport them and we have over 11 million here illegally. In fact, we may need to create an incentive for these people not to come here. In fact, some of those who we have deported several times have come back.

        • msueh

          No readily-accessible work and no welfare should be a good enough incentive for them to return to the home of their nativity.

        • DavidMacko

          In 1954 president Eisenhower initiated the program, Operation Wetback, which motivated almost two million illegal aliens to self deport after a small portion of them was apprehended and effectively expelled. If we had a president and Congress which was not intent on destroying us and upheld their oaths before God to defend the Constitution, we could do the same now with the 12, 20 or 30 million, especially with advances in technology in the last 60 years. For more information about how this program, one of the last successful activities by the fedgov, worked see http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

        • Rosech Levy

          More like 30 million,albertbryson!

        • Flame

          Revocation of the granting of driver licenses and welfare payments would force a number of them to self-deport.

          Those who keep coming back after deportation are generally the bad ones. We may have to create a special “deportation” prison (say on a distant island with few boats) or, after a certain amount of crime, a death penalty.

        • Flame

          And to create incentives for them to self-deport, which costs us nothing.

      • Flame

        Which in the US may require some redefinition of laws. I’m so tired of the immigrant movements wailing about “breaking up families” because the child mom plotted to have born on US soil now claims citizenship. Doesn’t sending a criminal to prison “break up a family”? Aren’t those who enter illegally commiting a crime? Take the kids back home with you. Let them apply to the US when they come of age.

        We need to do as some other nations (Canada and Australia come to mind) and revoke the notion of “birthright” citizenship.

        • Ameripat

          Amen to that! Birthright citizenship should have been ended years ago!

    • the1maverick

      I agree with your thoughts. As stated I see no evidence of the majority of the current immigrants, of latem either adapting to our way of life, of wanting inclusion but rather just the opposite having no desire or intent to speak our language, become one of us etc., nor do I see any evidence of
      their working for the common good. There are always exceptions, but they do not act in accordance for the common good nor the unity of their host nation. If we fail to cease immigration for a length of time in which we deport all illegal immigrants to their origin, we as a great nation are shortly doomed for we gave away our country a feat we have no right exercising, for it does not belong to us, but rather those who fought and died for our country who gave their blood, limbs and lives so we might live in Freedom, Liberty and in a Democracy.

      • Ophelia

        Worse… many immigrants practice uncharitable EXclusion of others — their engineered segregation. Maybe they fear embarrassment by language barriers, but is that an excuse for snobbery? Such oppression is often enabled by “charitable organizations”.

    • gaeliclass

      absolutely.. how come thousands of young able bodied men show up in all those news reports..–
      why aren’t they helping their nation, why aren’t they helping their families !

      • FedUp2

        Or fighting for their own country?? We send our boys there and we get their men here – doesn’t sound like a good deal for us or them. We shed enough blood defending our own country, they have to do the same if they want to preserve their own country – or not.

  • Ron

    The Bible has several references to being kind to foreigners and reminds people that they were once foreigners too. It makes special mention of widows, orphans and foreigners as groups to be treated with kindness and generosity.

    • Lucia826

      Yes, Ron–but as you can see in Thomas’s comments from the translations the Law referred to TWO TYPES (advenam and peregrino). This means the one coming for a bit of a visit and the other sort of a pilgrim — neither refers to permanence. Further on we note that immigration often requires 2 or 3 generations, and so forth. It also wisely cautions that NO ONE molest (disturb) the visitor. In the case of our U.S. inundation with Salvadorans and Guatemalans, the molestation and abuse was perpetrated by the “coyotes” and others once their families sent them off to an uncertain fate.

      • AZ-Ike

        I would like to add the abuse was also perpetrated by Mexico who passed laws by-passing their own immigration laws in order to facilitate the movement through Mexico of foreigners for the sole purpose of entering the U.S. illegally.
        In my book, Mexico’s actions were an ‘Act of War.’

        • Grace del Tabor

          They are escaping from an unjust government ! Do you not feel compassion on them ?

          • Nate

            Why don’t we do what we did in Iraq train them to fight for themselves and take their homeland back. We need to let them win a war against enemies instead of just giving everyone a place to run without background checks.

          • Sc Wi

            Put a time limit on the training….. either “get” the training to defend yourself or stay there and deal with it; eliminate “refusal to learn” in order to prolong the trainers. Also attach a writ of payment that will be due upon their taking their homeland back to pay for the trainers.

          • Rosech Levy

            Holland requires anyone coming there MUST speak their language or no entry allowed. I haven’t heard Holland taking any “outsiders” in, have you?

          • Cole

            Train them? Hahahaha! If they actually cared about their country they wouldn’t have ISIS.

          • Yes, because that worked so well at the Bay of Pigs.

          • ranger01

            Fix the unjust government. Yes, they will have to pay a price for their freedom.
            So has it been through the centuries.
            If you are so concerned about them..sponser one, be financially and legally responsible for one. But don’t ask others to pay for your half-harted sympathies.
            And don’t demonize those who disagree with you…which is exactly what the Catholic Church and its best friend, the Democrat Party, love to do.

          • Grace del Tabor

            Sorry to tel you I´m Rep !

          • ranger01

            Nobody cares about your voting preferences.

          • Grace del Tabor

            I do.

          • Rosech Levy

            Then vote for Trump so we can deport all muslims and all invaders on our soil and take care of our own, which is what we must and should do. To bad our Catholic Church has forgotten that charity begins at home first and foremost! If any Catholic I know votes Democrat, they are no longer a fellow traveler.

          • Capt_J@sea

            Do you not feel compassion for their compatriots still there, living under an unjust government? Do you not feel compassion for the hundreds of millions of people all over the world, living under corrupt and cruel governments and/or conditions of abject poverty? Are we to take them all in? We’d end up worse off than they are.
            If refugees come here legally, O.K. – when they sneak across our borders, they are CRIMINALS. Use your head and give your heart a rest.

          • Grace del Tabor

            Using my head and hearing my heart without any rest.

          • Rosech Levy

            Our Founding Fathers fought for our Republic and yet these young men coming in could not do that? No, if from the Mid-East, it is to overtake a country for the caliphate. If invaders from other countries it isn’t because of long ongoing conditions but the fact that our taxes are taking care of them without their owning no allegiance to America.

          • Cerando

            Catch a man a fish and you fed him for a day, teach him to catch fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Christ said; “Get up, pick up your bed and walk”. Alms enslave beggars in that condition. The problem of unjust governments is the real issue to be addressed. Tyrants and despots should be arrested on suspicion of probable cause, not ten years after destroying a country.

          • Grace del Tabor

            Tyrants and despots are foreign Natios and powers fighting for petroleum and selling weapons just to be richer. Let East World people live calmty with their own governments !

          • Ophelia

            …from one unjust government to another one?

          • Sunni

            Legal yes, otherwise NO !!!

          • Rosech Levy

            Having lived several years in Mexico, they are not escaping nothing new because nothing has changed in 100+ years in Mexico. No, they want the freebies, don’t really want to be legal citizens and outright said they don’t want to pay taxes, learn English and meld, and are stealing items left and right so that many stores must have security guards checking purchases! Most legal Mexicans here are doing exactly the opposite and are proud to be an American citizen. I have many in my business and others as friends and they are sick and tired of illegal invaders on our soil being treated better than they and even us.

          • Thomas L. Stafford

            No Grace, I do not. Stay and change your government.

  • Lucia826

    Someone please send this to Pope Francis and those who think that immigration is “at will” by the one migrating.

  • Felice

    Are we sounding like st. Pelosi now to justify helping the poor. Propotionaly we’ve had less than in the immigration waves of decades past. To Whom much is given much is asked. No state exited in the early 1200s of s. Thomas.

  • Roy

    St. Thomas sets as the first condition for acceptance a desire to integrate fully into what would today be considered the culture and life of the nation. Where does that leave the Muslims?

    • AZ-Ike

      There are three reasons why Islamic Muslims should never be permitted to live in the U.S.

      First, Sharia Law is an integral part of Islam. Sharia Law is the antithesis of U.S. Constitutional Law. And, according to St. Thomas, “…he sets as the first condition for acceptance a desire to integrate fully into what would today be considered the culture and life of the nation.” It has been obvious both in the U.S. and other countries that Muslims will not integrate or accept constitutional law.

      Second, the religion of Islam allows is adherents to lie in order to advance the growth of Islam, and REQUIRES its adherents to subjugate other religions and peoples who do not follow Islam. God gave humans free will. Nothing in the Bible indicates that those who believe in God and practice Christian faith based on the teachings of Christ, should force others to our belief. Teaching and influence by example appears to be the accepted actions.

      Constitutionally, Our freedom to practice the faith of our choice is considered an ‘unalienable right endowed by our Creator,’ as stated in the Declaration of Independence. No one has the right to take away the rights God has given to humanity. The supreme and federal Courts are violating the First Amendment’s guarantees of freedom of religious practice when they remove our guaranteed freedom to give privileges and protections to minority groups (atheists, Islamists, homosexuals, women’s ‘ (un)constitutional ‘right’ to abortion, etc.

      Third, the combination of Islam and Sharia Law must redefine it as a totalitarian ideology governed by a theocracy. Any totalitarian ideology (government without consent of the governed) is an enemy of a country governed by Law that guarantees the individual rights of its citizens.

      • Geoff

        Very well put.
        The trouble with most modern liberal ideas is that they often speak in terms of absolutes – unless it about conservatives/republicans/or other persons they generally oppose.
        That is why many can not see that their should be any rational or reasonable limits on immigration. They see immigration in terms of absolutes.
        Yet I’m sure many are adherents to the environmental movement and would have no issue with keeping invasive animal species from spreading to different parts of the globe.

      • Kathy Rheinfrank

        I know neighbors as Muslims and worked for him …. He treated me terribly and has NO RESPECT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND who started this country . He’s a jerk and treated me terribly

      • Jorge Figueroa

        Speaking as a nationalized citizen, I could not agree more with almost every opinion here. As a matter of fact I decided to become a citizen after most of my life in the country about 30 yrs. when I saw the attack on the towers (it felt wrenching so painful) was personal was my country. So my idea on immigration is that the employer should be punished and fined if employs an illegal, pretty soon nobody would do it anymore and people would not come and stay illegally because the lack of work and access to opportunities.

      • sherry

        You have summed it up very, very well. Wow!

    • Sc Wi

      Leaves them with 2 choices: integrate/learn the laws-culture-language-work of the nation or stay where you are without asking anything of that nation.

      • Lukas Lumbantobing

        And it includes Muslims. If a muslim want to learn to be an American and respecting it’s way of life, he or she should be accepted. Especially in case of student abroad who studied in American universities.

        Greetings from a Muslim majority country (Indonesia; I’m Christian by the way)

        • Rosech Levy

          And we were amazed at how many and beautiful Catholic Churches in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia! A pleasure to attend Mass there, and always in Hong Kong and China as well. They have not been paid to do the wrong thing as the Catholic Church here.

  • SmilingAssassin27

    Sadly, Aquinas could never account for the utter incompetence and debilitating corruption that plagues the immigration process. History proves Hayek right over and over–the government is utterly incapable of making immigration work because it has no competence about this issue, and it is too susceptible to the winds of political antagonism and entitlement.

    • jascott

      Another Catholic website is reporting that 3 dioceses in TX have gotten millions of $ in Fed grant money over the past 4 years (perhaps) to repair for the future influx of illegals(?) I was suspicious at the time of that border Mass Card. O’Malley celebrated last Spring. Just when you think the Church can’t look any cozier with the Dems something like this comes out. Mary, Mother of Perpetual Help, pray for us.

    • Rosech Levy

      And even our Founding Father fought against the muslims!

      • salesgirl

        Precisely! That’s why Marines are called leather necks and their fight song mentions the Shores of Tripoli. That’s the real reason our third president Thomas Jefferson owned a Koran, to “know thy enemy,” not to be politically correct and embrace all religions, as the liars in the DC try to tell everyone.

        • oldtimered

          Your right salesgirl.
          It is sad our students today are so uneducated that any secular or leftist teacher ruins their minds.
          Pray for the USA and the world.

        • Flame

          Right on. Just one more reason why TJ is probably my favorite president!

  • Susan

    Clear. I will post and speak of. Could you – or your aid – adapt this for several papers and journals Letters to the Editor? I usually send out 5 copies an effort. God bless you, your friend in sunny California, Susan C Tikalsky. Thank you, again.

  • Mishu

    So, are you saying then that first generation politicians should not be allowed to meddle in the affairs of the U.S.? You might want to sort out the elements in the Tea Party. A good number of them are “first-generation” immigrants. For example: Nicki Haley, Piyush Jindal, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz (not really a citizen, just relinquished his Canadian citizenship), Darrel Issa….I can go on. What about the elements that are married to “immigrant” spouses. Mitch McConnell, Grover Norquist, Bachman. What are you talking about here.

    • CL

      Hi Mishu, Did you miss the part in the article that speaks of special dispensation for those of virtuous intent? While I would never call politicians ‘virtuous’, it can be said that if they come to this nation with the full intention of becoming as one with the nation… in other words they seek to build up, not tear down, and demonstrate acceptance of the laws of the constitution therein to uphold them… to become one with the nation, and not to change its character…

    • AZ-Ike

      Mishu,
      Ted Cruz is a citizen of the United States because he inherited his mother’s U.S. citizenship. He is NOT a ‘natural born’ citizen because he also inherited his father’s Cuban citizenship, AND he received automatic Canadian citizenship as a result of being born in Canada. Therefore, at birth, he owed citizen allegiance to three countries.
      This is a perfect example of why ‘natural born’ citizenship requires being born IN the country of parents who are BOTH citizens OF the country. A ‘natural born’ citizen owes allegiance to no other country than his birth country. No ‘law’ is needed to affirm ‘natural born’ citizenship because by birth inheritance (blood) and by country of birth (soil) the child can be a subject/citizen of no other country.

    • AZ-Ike

      Unfortunately, the Constitution did not require ‘natural born’ citizenship for the States’ Congressional Representatives and Senators, as it did for President/Vice-President. It merely requires a certain number of years of citizenship, age and residence. Even those who were ‘naturalized’ citizens at a very young age are likely influenced by their parents’ foreign cultures and beliefs.
      Everyone jumped on the bandwagon for a Rubio vice-presidency on Romney’s ticket because Rubio seemed an ardent supporter of the Constitution–as does Ted Cruz. However, when immigration reform became the issue of the day, Rubio sided with anti-constitutional Senators and approved a bill that would protect immigrants at the expense of U.S. citizens.
      Even if the Constitution does not limit Congressional (or State government) representation to ‘natural born’ citizens, U.S. citizen voters should automatically exercise their patriotism for the United States by refusing support to first (and possibly second) generation immigrants in public office.

  • Barbra

    This is all I have ever asked … if you are coming to our country, do it legal … adapt to our cultures, learn our language, abide by our laws! Do not come with your hand out expecting everyone to bow down and cater to you and give you monies and benefits that many Americans who worked and paid for tgese benefits cannot even get! You expect change everything under the sun to change to accommodate your language and cultures and customs! And WE the Government (not the people) did just that! All the many years America has been a Country … we have never changed forms, rules, laws and languages to accommodate any other nationality until Hispanics came here! Now we the Americans have to learn their language and change many things we do to accommodate their lives, not the other way around! We have a serious problem in this Country and in this World! If the powers that be do not wake up and stop taking bribes or serving special causes, etc … there will NOT be an America! God bless the USA!

    • Elizabeth

      I was born & raised in the state of Texas which has a history, My ancestors where already here before Cortez & Columbus ever “discovered the new world”, My parents were both born in the valley of south texas, and lived in Mexico & went to school there, as for their parents they were full-blooded Apache, Aztex & Maya indians who married Spaniards & Italians, once they settled to save money to buy a house in the valley, get their citizenship,& due to traveling because of being farmers all across northern parts of certain states, they were just hard workers trying to make ends met without complaining or being bitter, but were willing to do the work with pride & with gratitude, they were very appreicated for their jobs, house, clothes on their backs, was able to provide food on the table, say our prayers, be respectful to their bosses & elders, my parents
      saw prejudices ” no Mexicans allowed in certain areas” & so forth, since my parents went to school in Mexico ( which their grandparents paid for them to attend ), when they went to school in the US, the teachers where shocked( which they did not like to admit nor did they like the fact that a red/brown color skin where better educated) that they knew more about the the basic R’s then the american kids at that grade level, my parents never took advantage of what this country nor the state had given them but took every opportunity to advance for a better life for their kids to be
      self sufficient, citizen, voter, and to give back into the communities, …I saw not by words but by actions the Love God showed us & how humility is truly a treasure in our lives

      • sherry

        An amazing story! Thank you for sharing. Your story is the American story. It is because of people like your grandparents we were a great nation. I so want America to find strength in the diversity of the American people. It should make us strong, smart, and experienced. But somehow our differences hurt us. My grandparents were Irish and went into the Civil war right off the boat. They were hated too.

  • Jacqueleen

    I’m sure that St. Thomas was speaking about legal immigration and not illegal immigration prompted by the evil leadership that does not respect the laws of the land. (Romans 13:1-2) I wonder what he would have said if he lived in present?

  • Churchill4President

    Excellent analysis! Sadly, the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church here in America do not share these views. They are for open borders and amnesty. I believe this is because they want more Hispanics in the pews, to cover their failure of growing the Catholic Church here in America.

    • Rosech Levy

      Well, whoever they want more just isn’t happening and numbers attending and donations made aren’t happening either. Amazing how priests have been brainwashed to this incredible disaster.

    • Flame

      It’s not just Roman Catholics. A lot of clergymen have a mistaken notion of charity and are too willing to interpret a broad smile and outstretched hand as “someone in need” without ever seeing the evil behind that. I’m sure it’s going to rattle some folks, but I have to say, they need to be more discriminating — in the positive sense of that word.

  • Rosa Carmen Morales

    I agree, all leaders they need reading this Catholic and non Catholic it is a Universal wisdom

  • Grace del Tabor

    What about mexican and cuban immigration ? They´re people who need help! They are running away from their own nations because of segregation !

  • John D Dique

    People will carry their own “database”, language, habits bad and good, methods of cooking cleaning belief because all these they inherit. It takes decades before they learn to navigate the new surrounds and become part of the new country. Irish will intermarry easily, but lose their mother culture more readily than Scots. It depends on how many of the migrants and if they form “New York”, “New Hampshire”, “New this or that”, and carry into it their deep seated beliefs. Multiculturalism will not work for Islam, as Islam wants a global caliphate. Islam will not accept multiculturalism. Common sense must prevail if the host country is to remain democratic, or else it must succumb as other countries have. History has proved this. Spain had much warfare and only a male win over the arrivals assured Spain of Catholic Spain.

  • Leonard Churilla

    The past two prime ministers of Australia hit the nail right on the head. In essence they said that if you want to be citizens of their country you have to adhere to their laws and customs and not try to impose your own upon them, in reference to Shariya Law which many moslems were proposing. When you migrate to another place you should try to fit into their ways and learn their language. My ancestors did this so their children and grandchildren would have a better life. If you don’t like the country where you are migrating to then go back to your own.

  • Annabelle Arceo Almado

    The sudden influx of immigrants had it’s great toll on the nation, since it is not balance the demand and the supply for workforce and work being generated.

  • SovereignAmerican

    These points were obviously ignored by Ted Kennedy when his legislation opened the flood gates in ’65!

  • albertbryson

    I am glad that St. Thomas agreed with me about the immigrants must assimilate and learn the language and culture of their new land. Unfortunately for us many of the immigrants coming into the United States have refuse to assimilate, but take all kinds of assistance given to them by our governments and charitable agencies. We can’t afford to continue this.

    • Belle

      90% of immigrants are on welfare–the Boston Marathon bombers, for example.

  • Gilbert

    We need to strengthen our borders not just for our own protection but for those people who are being abused and taken advantage of by those who profit from illegally bringing people into this country. Our present system is not one that can be called a humanitarian way of handling those who seek to come to our country. Those people who help the importation of humans illegally are guilty of prolonging a situation where people are being subjugated to abuse that conforms to the most inhuman humanism the world has seen.

  • doomsdae

    What is happening is that the liberal churches masquerading as Christians but in fact, believe in Socialism, are the ones not only backing Obama, but also receiving money from the Government to provide a safe haven for these illegal immigrants most of whom are coming from the Middle East via Mexico and Canada. How to I know? I was told this by a Muslim ten years ago when I went to Granada Spain that they (Islam) were coming in through Mexico and Canada for the main purpose of conquering the world and establishing Sharia law by force. Muslims can speak Spanish and can pass for Latin American people. They are here America, when are you going to wake up!!

    • Rosech Levy

      And it amazed me that Isabel and Ferdinand fought hard to rid Spain of the muslims and now let them in? Where were their brains. The EU is merely a global/communist group of elites to aid in a country’s takeover and so proud of Britains to have cut those strings and now have freedom again!

  • Thetruthhurts:(

    Unless the leaders of our country heed what most Americans are thinking, sooner or later there will be a revolution in our country. Donald Trump is leading because he blatantly speaks the truth, and what most Americans are concerned about. I hope we can reach wise decisions in correcting the many problems we face in our country through our government. Saint Thomas was spot on in his Summa Theologica!
    James Lankford was also spot on when he said:
    Our nation stands at the
    crossroads of liberty. Crushing national debt, rampant illegal
    immigration, insane business regulations and staggering national
    unemployment are pushing our nation into unchartered territory.

  • Ron

    It’s the first part of the second part not the second part of the first part that you are abusing.

    In his response to Question 105 Aquinas offers that there are two conditions between relations with foreigners, Peaceful and Hostile and that Jewish Law makes suitable provision for both conditions.

    First it addresses three peaceful conditions. Foreigners passing thru your land. Foreigners who come to your land as newcomers and thirdly foreigners who come to your land and want to be assimilated into it. And yes, he explained the Jewish law and why it was reasonable, and how it resembled other societal laws (those other laws having been cited by Aristotle) were the ones that imposed the 3 generation rule but Aquinas doesn’t claim that other legal systems are also not reasonable and just.

    The second condition of hostility deals with applications of the just war theory, not with undocumented aliens.

    That being said, Aquinas himself came to realize (with the help of revelation) that all he had written was but straw.

  • gaeliclass

    Wonderful and said by a Saint! God gives us pure logic and pure reason and when we follow Him we find that logic and reason just as the great St. Thomas describes here regarding immigrants. And it all makes so much sense.
    This is why to assume thousands of people into an unprepared nation is wrong.
    This does not mean we do nothing for these people – that is against Christ and His Laws –
    but it means doing what we have to do with intelligence and effort.

  • SJoseph

    God bless the Spanish people(Big Mary and Jesus pictures at their entrances)(and bless all other cultures) for I was invited to their homes for dinner at different times of my life for they have found in me a love of them and a powerful trust to share me with their loved ones. The look of trust in someone’s eyes toward me is so, well almost is instantly tear jerking to me and I thank Father for this feeling I get when this happens. What a present to me that others sense this powerful love to them. Yes, I would die for anyone anytime always, its just the way it is. I don’t get it myself. Maybe because of pain that I suffered from injustices of myself during my early youth. Although at age 6-7-8ish, not exactly sure, I heard this “I AM WITH YOU” booming throughout my body not just my ears. Was this Jesus or Farther? But to see an act of kindness towards others, especially from a third party, me standing off afar and witnessing it from others to others, I get this total love feeling.
    But getting back to immigration as you see I’m not ignorant to others. I do not like this, ” push 1 for English, push 2 for Spanish!!! This gets my goat every time! What about “push 3 for Polish? ” “What about push 4 for Ukranian? 5 for Italian, 6 for African, 7 for Irish, 8 for Susquahanok, or Nikomas, local Indian i think? I almost feel that this country or a behind the scenes thing cater to Spanish. No offense meant. But are not my Grandfather’s people who came through Ellis Island and had to assimilate to this country, give up their own language, learn English, have a sponsor family etc., and followed all the rules good enough to have a button to push??? Well why cater to one and not another? I don’t know about you but to me this shows extreme predjudism if you have one foriegn country and their people native language and not include all the others. Everybody’s forefathers that died for this country are rolling over in their graves! “We had to learn English and died for that opportunity! Isn’t our voice good enough? For a button?”

  • Toni

    Muslims bring their faith with them and build Mosques here. How many churches are in the Middle Eastern countries? How many Christians are murdered in those countries for practicing their faith? Muslims only want to dominate all people.

  • Elizabeth

    This is fantastic!!! I will be sharing it with my almost 1,000 Facebook Friends and with all the Priests and Deacons I know! THANK YOU!

  • Sam Ferraro

    I would like to forward this to Pope Francis, President Obama, Mayor Emanuel, Archbishop Cupich and all of the other American bishops that favor unfettered immigration policies.

    • Auntjenjen Churro

      Obama does not care! He ‘loves’ (lusts) this!

  • Andy Sloan
  • ronedee

    This is why “Legal” is a necessity! If there are no rules/laws, or consequences for breaking them, there are no loyalties or respect for the host nation. None.

  • Edward Koestner

    Several Catholic writers are using this same vein of Saint Thomas’ thinking to counter the unnatural concept that the United States is somehow obliged to accept the very immigrants who want to destroy us. “Charity starts at home!” The issue would get less complicated, however, if we were willing to distinguish between good and bad immigrants. Accept those who are good, and reject those who are bad.

    • AZ-Ike

      Who will determine if an immigrant is ‘good’ or ‘bad’? Isn’t Obama already doing that at OUR expense? How about the Muslim Brotherhood in the top posts of Homeland Security? Should they be the final word on who is a good or bad immigrant?

      Immigration requires 5 principles stated clearly since old Testament biblical times and throughout the ages into current Catholic catechism.

      1. It must, first and foremost, be for the common good and benefit of existing citizens.
      2. It must be according to the laws of the host nation.
      3. The immigrant must be willing AND ABLE to assimilate into the host country–its beliefs and principles, its culture and society (and language), and its laws under which its society must live.
      4. Assimilation takes a long time–at least two to three generations–before immigrants can be trusted with lawmaking in the host country–including voting for or against potential laws
      5. Enemies must NEVER be admitted for immigration (or even unrestrained visits) into the country. Enemies are not only those individuals who would shoot, behead, bomb, or otherwise physically harm our citizens. Enemies are also those whose beliefs and principles are intent on changing or diluting our own beliefs, principles, culture and society–and the laws by which we live in a relatively peaceful society.

      Islam, whether practiced by Muslims or Africans, Middle Easterners, Indonesians, or Americans is the antithesis of American Christian beliefs, our Judeo-Christian Laws, and the principles of Liberty and Justice on which we base our laws, culture and society. Unlike God’s Commandments, followed by most of America, Islam encourages its members to lie if it benefits Islam. Why should the practice of Islam ever exist in the United States?

      The First Amendment freedom of religion clause works only if all religions respect the freedom of other religions. Obviously, this is not true of Islam.

      The First Amendment does not allow any and all religions the freedom to practice their own religions in the United States. The U.S. was developed as a country by Christians, primarily for the freedom to practice Christianity without government interference. That is why our laws are primarily based on Judeo-Christian Laws–so that secular laws would not violate God’s law. Every time the federal (or State) government tells us we cannot criticize anything about Islam, and/or restricts our religious practices in public and government, they are violating the First Amendment. How can we respect a government that allows Islam to kneel in our streets and on our sidewalks to pray to Allah five times a day and doesn’t allow prayers or the mention of God or the appearance of a Bible in schools and public?

      If the current immigration and refugee programs authorized by Congressional Law, or unconstitutionally authorized by Obama’s Executive Orders violate any of the five Principles of Immigration, then our own government is intent on destroying America–our beliefs and principles, our culture and society, our Constitution…and our citizens. That, my friends, is the very definition of treason!

      • Lukas Lumbantobing

        Do you really think all Islamic students currently studying in American universities should be expelled and deported only because they are Muslims? I’m not living in the USA, mind you. I’m an Indonesian Christian.

        Good to hear your explanation about this case.

  • Martin Wilhelmy

    I learned this week from friends in Germany that when refugees in camps are being served meals by German volunteers, these refugees shocked the volunteers by saying they didn’t want to be seated and served as families…rather, the refugees demanded that the men sit separately from the women and children. This is causing some dismay in Germany since this clearly shows the refusal by the refugees to respect and integrate themselves into the Western view of the family.

    • Geoff

      What it should also highlight is that they do not believe in an egalitarian society. They will transform it to their Sharia based system as soon as they have the numbers and powers to do so as has historically been done in other parts of the world.
      It will put an end to women’s rights and the plethora of other rights as soon if Islamists are allowed to take power.

      • Patsy Koenig

        Yes, that is why Islamic immigration should be banned. Their religion, as officially taught and practiced, is inimical to American and European society. For a few decades, in the early 1900’s Islamic immigration to USA was banned….then allowed in the 1960’s. Islam is anti-Christian and anti-non-Muslims.

        • Rosech Levy

          Not a religion but a cult philosophy from Mohamed and the aim is to kill all infidels and even those muslims who leave. That is not a religion, just a word they know we will relate to as nice when it is anything but.

          • Patsy Koenig

            I totally agree. It is not a true religion.

          • lukas tobing

            How about Malaysian or Indonesian? Should Western educational institutes barring them (I mean muslims) for scholarship even without any criminal record? Or an Indonesian Muslim who married an American?

          • Flame

            With respect to your last sentence, Iva Toguri, the woman known to most of the world as “Tokyo Rose,” married a Filippino while she was still in Japan during WW2. Rather than being the traitor she was accused of being, she was actually a true American patriot (born on the 4th of July — no kidding, look it up). Once she had returned to the US, her husband was declared “persona non grata” and not allowed to come to the US. Terrified that if she ever left US shores again, she would not be allowed to return, she never left the country to visit him. So they never saw each other again.

            As for the question you pose, I think it would be up to the immigration authorities to question this muslim spouse — whether from Indonesia or anywhere else — and ask if he/she was prepared to acknowledge and accept American law and to swear an oath of loyalty to the US. If the answer is yes, let them in. If no, keep them out. Once such a declaration is made under oath, if the immigrant breaks the oath, he/she can be charged with perjury and deported. Yes, I know islam has the doctrine of taqiyya — that to lie is okay if it advances islam. So we take some chances with this, but far less than just admitting unvetted hordes of so-called “refugees.”

          • lukas tobing

            I definitely agree with your statement about vetting immigrants from non Christian countries.

            N.B. I’m Indonesian.

          • Mayanja

            Many people are forced to free their beloved countries by wars which are created by the greedy wicked men and women.So before condenming President Trump, the servant of Jesus Christ who have been chosen to fight and stop the Satanic agents from destroying our earthly planet, condenmon these wicked men and wome and denounce their evil actions.You all know that George Soros through his network is the one causing the refugees problem.Why can’t you ask his arrestetion instead of condenming the one who has been chosen to bring things in order ?

          • Kristine L.

            President Trump the servant of Jesus Christ? Please get real. This Pres.Trump you speak of is the same man who made a mockery of the recent National Prayer Breakfast by using it as an occasion to brag on himself and flippantly pray about Arnold Schwarzenegger and a silly TV show’s ratings, as an awkward silence filled the room. Oh, and I guess you don’t remember him saying on the campaign trail that he’s never had to pray for forgiveness as he’s never done anything wrong? No, I’m not making it up, it’s out there on tape somewhere. People with self absorbed, narcissistic egos like his are not to be trusted.

          • lukas tobing

            I like to see Soros just die, either. He is one of the reason people hate Jews (as a fuel of a certain conspiracy theory).

          • KAH

            Maybe an easy test would be to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. That is strangely accused of idol worship in their minds and forbidden.

          • Marie Halligan

            As I remember reading,I think it might have been Aayan Hirsi Ali,an ex-Muslim woman who is an anti-Islam speaker,Islam is..” ..a totalitarian POLITICAL ideaology with a religious component!” This has stuck with me and sums up why Islam has it’s own system of law,Sharia,dictates on every aspect of human life and commands its members, Muslims,to turn the entire planet Islamic, by Jihad.Jihad can be either violent,or non-violent,which is what mass immigration and having more children than the natives is about. So,you are correct.Islam is really about POWER,and the religious component is not much more than a ” beard”! No pun intended- or maybe it was?? If I didn’t laugh, sure I’d cry. Let’s pray for the conversion of Muslims to Catholic Christianity.God bless.

          • Flame

            I’m pretty certain you are correct in citing Aayan Hirsi Ali for that statement. Alas, they hide under our First Amendment to protest against any attempt to have them conform to our laws and our culture.

            Personally, I suspect Satan himself is the one who dictated the koran to Mohammad.

          • Flame

            It’s a full-blown political philosophy of life with a small religious component. Alas, they are hiding under our First Amendment to allow them to get away with all kinds of crime.

    • Rosech Levy

      And as my spouse is German and speaks with family twice a week (thanks to Skype), the invited invaders are complaining about the language and why Germans don’t speak Arabic (Duh!), about the food, about how little money they are given (what happened to the $1500 they had in pockets on arrival?), rape is exponentially growing and women advised not to go out at night in their own country and if go out at all, go in groups, crimes of many sorts on the rise. However, the globalists/communists want this to make countries weak and easily taken over, which we are seeing in this country with the 1963 published DNC Communist Manifesto and they are close to the last or almost last step and are pushing to get Hillary in the WH and will find a way to get voter fraud any way they can. The muslims here do not respect our flag nor Constitution nor laws, but want their no go zones (Minnesota, Wisconsin) and sharia and honor killing. St. Thomas had it right, remove them all back to wherever as they are a growing and ongoing danger to our country.

      And, yes, it angers me that our Catholic Church has taken OUR money via Obama to do this to America and then they wonder why the churches are emptying. Duh!

    • Jacqueleen

      The world deserves whatever violence and chaos that the refugees will bring because they refuse to believe that there is no such thing as a peaceful Muslim. The ones that appear to be peaceful (even though they do not assimilate) are on a mission to multiply like rabbits to speed up being in the majority in the country that they are in….then they will infiltrate all departments and systems including the government and ultimately will take over the country without firing a shot.
      The WORLD WILL DESERVE WHAT IT GETS AND THAT INCLUDES THE USA.
      ALL MUSLIMS MUST BE EVICTED AND BANNED FROM RE-ENTRY. What country in it’s right mind invites their arch enemy to live in their back yards?
      There is plenty wrong with this picture….Queen Isabella had the right idea when she evicted the Muslims to save her country, Spain!….AND WE SHOULD FOLLOW HER LEAD! (Not screaming…just emphasizing! .

  • Islamic immigrants have a whole other agenda in mind. They do not assimilate, they conquer. If they can’t conquer by the sword, and those days a long behind them, then they will attempt to conquer by multiplying.

    • Lukas Lumbantobing

      Not all of them, but yes, massive Islamic immigration to the west is a grave concern.

  • Nobody

    Seems reasonable to me.

  • mountainguy

    Do all inmigrants need to “adapt” and “adopt” the culture of the new country? I will not attack this idea (which I partially share), but it seems it doesnt apply to all groups. For example the amish: they do not adapt, yet are likely one of the most peaceful and hardworking groups in the USA (at least far more peaceful than the rest of white anglosaxons).

    • Rosech Levy

      The Amish are true Americans, altho a different faith traveler. And, yes, I have adapted to living in other countries and my spouse here because that is what should be done out of respect to the country where you are working and/or living.

    • sherry

      They are Americans that practices a Christian religion, just not main stream. To stay pure to their belief’s they stay to them self’s and shun the outsider. American cultures based on and valuing the United States Constitution which how ever painful it might be to some Americans understands it is a doctrine of Biblical Christian precept. The Amish have not in any way tried to defy it, deny it or change it. It is vital that all immigrants adopt American ways and adapt to our culture. You Do Not Need To Be Christian To Be An American. But understanding that out forefathers were and the Constitution was written reflecting that belief. Its great you can be or do just about anybody you want to be here in USA. In fact America wants that for American people. It is called Liberty. We encourage ethnic cultures and most thrive in the USA. However I personally think its outrageous that an immigrant insist that I should learn their native language because they refuse to speak the language of this Nation. It should be the first hint they do not want to naturalize, You can be any religion you want in this Country, but what can not be allowed to happen is that religion dictating what laws apply to them and this Nation can not allow any religious organization to supersede any local, State or Federal law. So yes as an American citizen it is very important to assimilate to our Country. How many cities in America have a ” little Italy ” or “China Town” great palaces shop’s, restaurants and exciting to visit. What we can not tolerate are religious courts, religion in public tax funded schools and religious zealots patrolling our public streets. If you want to be an American you must be prepared to honor our society and the American language and Constitution. Yes yes they must adapt to our culture. And like every American who has come and thrives keep the traditions of the old county in family tradition. Food, celebration, holidays style of clothes keep it celebrate it. I can really appreciate that, but do not tell me in a foreign language that my child should learn to worship your God in a school I pay for. That I must cover myself completely or risk rape. Not in this America, not any more. It saddens me that Americans have lost our National identity to the point that they do not instinctively know why a foreigners should adopt our language or adapt to our culture. I am a proud American, I know why I am proud and will not be ashamed of my National heritage. Are you?

  • ranger01

    Isn’t it amazing how the current bishop of Rome and the USCCB cannot hold
    a candle to the razor sharp mind of holy Aquinas?

  • Lodrone

    Saint Thomas: “The reason for this was that if foreigners were allowed to meddle with the affairs of a nation as soon as they settled down in its midst, many dangers might occur, since the foreigners not yet having the common good firmly at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people.

    St. Thomas Aquinas on Islam:

    “He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.

    He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms – which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning (1). Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe foolishly.”- Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4. Footnote: 1. Sura 21:5, Sura 44:14; Sura 16:103, Sura 37:36

    I would say that this would be the danger he was writing about.

  • PlanetJuggler

    I’m sending this to my pastor and deacons. They need to understand authentic Catholic teaching on this (and not just the pablum and progressive garbage coming from Wuerl and the USCCB).

  • Bernie

    I do not have a problem with those who come here and want to become real Americans as we are all from immigrants except American Indians. My anger and sometimes hatred is when the people that come here move 30 people into a 3 bedroom house in upscale neighborhoods. They set up 5 gallon containers for the kids to go to the bathroom outside with toilet on steel rods. Come home to that after a day of work and have to smell what has been cooking in the heat of the sun all day. It sucks and the fighting, the guns, the drugs, the disease because none of these people have had any immunizations. My kids schools are over run with chicken pox, lice, and a whole slew of other diseases we have not seen in San Diego for years. When the American taxpayers have given countless illegal immigrants 4 year educations at some of the greatest Universities in the world while we Americans pay through the teeth ourselves for the same education is ridiculous. These graduates reward America by walking across the podium waiving the Mexico flag instead of the USA Flag in gratitude. I am sorry I want these people out of here, especially the ones that hate Americans and want to turn America into the middle east or Tijuana.

  • Marilyn Krocheski

    And also some priests, bishops, cardinals and popes also should read this….

  • Lynn McCrann

    I would hope my Catholic Bishops and my pastor in particular would ascribe to St. Thomas’ teaching.

  • Lynn McCrann

    I would hope my Catholic Bishops and my pastor in particular would ascribe to St. Thomas’ teaching.

  • Bruce1314

    This article should be sent to every Government ,and leaders of Catholic Clergy and every Christian Denomination in Europe

  • Gary Scarrabelotti

    Great work, author. I will order a copy.

  • Katy F, Rochester, NY

    Let’s get back to 9/11. Remember? These people do not assimilate, any more than the thousands of Hispanics who are here and a good majority of them are illegals. We are not a Muslim country – it is an entirely different culture. I don’t know how you would determine who would be a good immigrant and who would be a bad immigrant. Surely the government doesn’t know – it has failed miserably. I think Dr. Ben Carson had a very good idea in that he said these Syrians in flight could be relocated within the borders of their own country where they can practice their own traditions (northeast Syria I believe, where there is no conflict) and the Kurds be given more munitions and US military support to assist them in their fight to gain freedom. After what has happened on our own American soil, I do not at all feel comfortable in allowing these people to come to America. Sorry, Pope Francis, I don’t want them. In fact, they have threatened your life and you want them here? Why?

  • FedUp2

    In my church, we get fliers in the bulletin saying that it’s “our Christian duty” to take in ALL immigrants and give them shelter & food, then declare from the pulpit that they’re democratics. So much for separation of church & state. ALL churches have gone to the dark side and I’m not supporting any of them anymore.

  • faithandhonor

    I just ordered your book, Mr. Horvat. I only recently found your blog, but find it to be a refreshing oasis of peace and grace in this confused and rapidly degenerating society of ours.

    While I am Protestant and a little suspicious of Catholic-oriented publications, I am a big fan of Russell Kirk, and will continue to visit here and listen to the voice of sweet reason. I DO find order in your writings! Bless you.

  • Julia

    It is a common sense that people who are coming as immigrants they should adjust to the laws of the countries and respect them .. contrary to many immigrant people coming from different regions of the world they do not respect those laws and they come agressivily demanding all the rights and support as any citizen who are born in those countries.. this is absolutely abusive as many citizens who are paying taxes and all the govermental requirments our entire lives. We do
    feel infiltriated by those immigrants who are so agressive demanding the same rights when they never paid any support for the country and any taxes..this is very demoralizing how the liberal goverments support all this people with the only interest that in the future they get their votes it is a merely political interest it’s sick to the stomach.
    Many of this immigrants they become criminals if they don’t get the support they demand from the goverment.

  • DavidMacko

    Your commentary is very valuable for Catholics but also for Orthodox Christians such as myself, Protestant Christians and all others who do not want the United States to be destroyed by the invasion which is being coordinated by the communist Moslem traitor in our former White House and his henchmen (and women) including the crooked communist five letter synonym for female dog who is running for president.

  • Annette Fee

    Isn’t the Catholic leader of the world our most holy Pope? As Catholics, shouldn’t we seek to follow his thoughts, wishes, and ideas on immigration

    • Mike

      The Catholic rule of faith is scripture and tradition, when the Holy Fathers, thoughts, wishes, and ideas are contrary to his predecessors, they are not infallible, and our rule of faith becomes the popes thoughts, wishes, and ideas. Traditional Catholics who follow dogma and infallible doctrine still have scripture and tradition as their rule of faith. While immigration as a doctrine has not been dogmatized, the current Holy Fathers thoughts, wishes, and ideas are contrary to tradition as St. Thomas’ writings prove. If anything, what St. Thomas says on immigration could be an infallible Church doctrine on immigration because it is an established 2,000 plus year tradition.

  • Augustine Madanu

    The article is very good. I fully agree with the views of the writer. Augustine Madanu

  • lighthouse333

    The rulers, leaders of this world must know that all human laws must make based on the DIVINE LAW and NATURE LAW that GOD HAS SETUP. When men try to apply perverted laws on the people, the hell will break loose as we see right now all over the whole world. That’s simple, that’s common senses, folks.

  • Mark

    Actually, The Founders/Framers must have read about St. Thomas because they say the same thing. I think Jefferson and Madison addressed this. Check out http://www.abbevilleinstitute.com for the article.

  • FedUp2

    This whole immigration problem has been planned for a very long time, all is going according to plan. Break down the culture and language of a country and it splinters it for generations. To think that “diversity” is the key to unity is a lie and has been spoon fed to us for a very long time. Time to wake up and admit it is NOT working, will never work, and cannot work for us to stay united in common thought.

  • the1maverick

    One need look no further than Ancient Rome, the once great Nation State. It was not brought down
    By warring troops but rather it had conquered so much land and so many varying people’s that the
    Conflicting cultures conflicted with each other, language, histories, cultures etc. not to mention the
    Overinflated cost of welfare. It was best to death by Welfare programs, then inter culture warfare, finally it went belly up.

    It serves us as an example which we must acknowledge and learn from, which is quite simple.
    No nation can exist with more than one Culture. Without borders you have no single Culture, with
    No Stated culture you can have no Country.

  • Anthony Rader

    How then does dual citizenship work in the light of St. Thomas’s thoughts on these matters? How does it serve those countries that allow it?

    • Simple: don’t allow it. Dual citizenship = Dual loyalties = Internment Camps. In America, the Moslem infidels and Talmudic Judaics (Spain and England expelled them for a legit reason — to protect the Faith) are a danger to the remaining (?) Christian belief system here. Cannot really say there is any Christianity left when gutless men still permit mothers and “doctors” to murder babies; men and their apostate clergy stand by and allow Sodomites to “marry” and “Christians” finance it all every April 15th. (Fyi, I stopped 20 years ago and I’m running for U.S. House to get everyone else to stop b/c there is no law). See my Landholt for Congress page on FB.

      Of course, dual loyalties can be said of protestants and evangelicals as well since they are their own pope. Their “religion” is “USA USA USA” and allegiances are to a flag. In the case of evangelicals, their allegiance is to a self-worshiping, racist antichrist country called Israel.

      Kyrie eleison.

      #Texit #Landholt2016 #TaxationIsTheft #Usury

  • I suspect that in order to follow the true Christian teaching on immigration, We the People will need to regain control of WDC by use of 50 State Militias. See my Landholt for Congress page on FB. #Texit #TaxationIsTheft #Usury @HoffmanMichaelA

  • Sr.Athens

    A nice article. Prudence, discernment and charity as guide in the issue of immigration.

  • Emanuele Bracco

    My criticism to this that “mass immigration” is not only policy, but also the result of history, e.g. the development of middle-income countries, the falling transport costs, the connectedness of countries through the internet… all things that decrease the cost of emigrating.
    So at least partially this increase in immigration is something we need to accept, and be educated to live with.

  • James

    St Thomas was a racist!

  • John DiStefano

    The Hillary camp says Aquinas and all orthodox Catholics are ‘backwards’. Why do so few priests and bishops admonish pro abortion pols and parishioners? Because they follow the failed $ and ‘butts in the seats’ dilution of faith, morals and doctrine espoused by the sissified post Vatican II “church.”

  • EAlberto

    Interesting article.and it makes sense, however I would like to mention that for some reason a lot of the examples are based in the Old testament in a society relatively closed with preference for endogamy and with exceptional acceptance to foreigners. Once we read the Gospel (New Testament), there is an opening to compassion and more acceptance to the other, the foreigner, the refugee (Samarians, greeks, syrians, etc)

  • Kathy Rheinfrank

    You haven’t worked for a Muslim yet and they treat women like crap . I bustedmy you know what and never a thank you . He threatened me on my last pay if I didn’t give him the keys he would change the locks and use my money . He’s a bully and well I can’t stand Muslims … Try working for them as a women

  • Kathy Rheinfrank

    They come in our country and don’t care anything about our ancestors and only about money

  • Anna

    YES!!!!!!! ENTIRELY CORRECT!!! HE SAID YOU NEED TO KEEP THEM OUT IF YOU HAVE REASONABLE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE HOSTILE!!!

    THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST USED TO BE CHRISTIAN. THE MUSLIMS HAVE 99% GENOCIDED THEM OUT OF THERE.

    ISLAM – PHASE 1:

    HIDE IT OUT, USE THE DOCTRINE OF “Taqiyya” – LIE AND DECEIVE. LAY LOW. (JIHAD ATTACKS, TORTURE, AND KILLINGS STILL TAKE PLACE, THOUGH).

    THIS IS THE U.S. HUGE NUMBERS POURING IN. LOTS OF JIHAD ATTACKS, BUT THE MEDIA DOES NOT REPORT IT. LOTS OF PEOPLE GOING ON THE NEWS SAYING THAT THEY ARE PEACEFUL. BUT DON’T FORGET THAT MUSLIMS HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO PRACTICE DECEPTION – “Taqiyya” – TO NON-MUSLIMS – IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THEIR OBJECIVES

    ISLAM -PHASE 2.

    THIS IS WHEN THEY GAIN A LOT HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION. THEY GAIN CRITICAL MASS. VIOLENCE AND CONSTANT DEMONSTRATIONS TO ENACT SHARIAH LAW NOW. EPIDEMICS OF RAPES OF NON-MUSLIM WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND THE ELDERLY, AS “PUNISHMENT” BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM. RECEIVE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WELFARE IF POSSIBLE, SO THAT THEY CAN OUT-REPRODUCE EUROPEANS 8 TO 1. ENSURES A FULL TAKEOVER AND FULL GENOCIDE OF CHRISTIANS IF THEY CAN JUST WAIT IT OUT A FEW MORE GENERATIONS. (UNLESS THERE IS A WAR AND THEY SEND THEM ALL BACK TO SAVE CIVILISATION AND PROTECT ALL EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS FROM GENOCIDE).

    ——THIS IS EUROPE RIGHT NOW.

    ISLAM – PHASE 3.

    THIS IS THE MIDDLE EAST. THE MIDDLE EAST USED TO BE CHRISTIAN. MUSLIMS CONQUERED WITH THE SWORD, AND EVENTUALLY GENOCIDED OVER 99% OF THE CHRISTIANS (AND OTHER) IN THAT COUNTRY.

    I HAVE HAD RELATIVES AND FRIENDS WHOSE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN FAMILIES WERE GENOCIDED, IN VARIOUS MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES. THIS IS NOT FAR AWAY. THIS IS REAL. PHASE 1 IS PROGRESSING VERY FAST IN THE UNITED STATES.

    I AM 100% CERTAIN THAT MUSLIMS REPORT TO SATAN. THEIR GOD IS SATAN. I HAVE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN THE MIDDLE EAST. YES THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE HERE AND THERE, BUT, THEIR RELIGION IS A BELIEF SYSTEM BASED ON SATAN. EVERY MUSLIM COUNTRY IS A HELL-HOLE WHERE EVERYONE IS BEATING EACH OTHER, TORTURING EACH OTHER. THIS SATANIC CULT OF ISLAM MUST BE STOPPED, AND ITS PEOPLE SAVED.

    THERE IS NO DEBATE ABOUT BUDDHISTS!!!!! NO ONE IS SCARED OF THEM!!! THEY MEAN WELL.

    SOMEONE WHO HAS THE DUTY TO SLIT THE THROAT OF EVERY NON-BELIEVER, DOES NOT MEAN WELL.

    (OH, THEY GENOCDED ALL THE BUDDHISTS AND EASTERN MONKS ALONG WITH ALL THE CHRISTIANS TOO)

    EVERY CHRISTIAN AROUND THE WORLD HAS A MORAL DUTY —- MORAL DUTY —- TO WAKE UP OTHER PEOPLE AND POLITICS — AND EJECT SUCH THINGS OUT OF THEIR HOMELANDS. YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET TO PHASE 3 OF ISLAM WHICH IS WHEN THEY HAVE ENOUGH POWER AND WEIGHT TO FINALLY TOTALLY GENOCIDE OUT THE REST OF THE CHRISTIANS. THEY DO IT IN 100% EVERY COUNTRY THAT THEY TAKE OVER.

  • PatriciaFraide

    So relevant to the immigration crisis we see in the U.S. and around the world today. I would hope both political and Church leaders would take note of this great Doctor of the Church and stop the chaos taking place today.

  • dmikee

    So the pharoah should have expelled all the Jews who emigrated under Joseph from barren land to the riches of the Nile Valley.

  • Carl

    The nation is made up of each of us–what is the right thing for each of us to do. Each of us cannot unilaterally control the nation, but we can control how we live out our call as Christians . Each Christian will face the final judgement. Perhaps a comprehensive study of all of Thomas Aquinas’ writings insofar as how does a Christian respond to the Gospel passages such as the rich man with Lazarus begging at his gate (Luke 16), and “I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in…” (Matthew 25). Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s (Mathew 12). Perhaps one solution is to raise taxes to pay for all the immigrants that we should let in if we are to truly live out the Beatitudes and be perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5). Are we first Christian or American. What will God ask of us? There is neither Jew nor Gentile… (Galatians 3). Do we analyze immigration through the lens of I am a conservative American, or I am Christian, or I am Catholic and part of the Universal Church, …?

  • Johann du Toit

    Good proposals. Immigration should be neither closed and xenophobic nor unrestricted open door, but a properly managed system designed to serve the common good and promote the host country’s best interests.

  • Dodie from Minnesota

    St. Thomas of Aquinas, a Doctor of the Church, was a very wise and prudent man. We tend to forget
    that the problems and also the benefits of allowing foreigners to enter, live and become citizens of and integrate into another nation/culture has been problematic for centuries. It is something that individual nations have had to deal with long before Jesus Christ was born and was here on earth, and after he was gone as well. The wisdom and teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas are as relevant today as they were when he wrote them.

  • fred from CT

    unfortunately our culture has become secular to the extent that even philosophers who are religious ( since most from the middle ages were such) are considered out of touch with modern times and bigots. God help us if this continues

  • jack

    The Democrats Are against controlled immigration. Either legal or illegal.

    why haven’t the Catholic Bishops opened the rectories and Convents to the poor and immigrants instead of putting the burden on the backs of the middle class?

  • Flame

    I would hope that the pastors of many churches, especially in the “leftist” parts of nation, would read this before deciding to create “sanctuary” parishes or cooperate with the law-breaking cities that are declaring themselves sanctuaries. This nation is truly a nation of immigrants, but most of those who came during the periods of great immigration came with the intention of fully assimilating into American culture. Typical were the parents and grandparents who told their offspring, “We speak English now.”

    Today we see whole communities where it’s nearly impossible to communicate with the residents because they haven’t learned the language — let alone the founding documents or history or laws of the nation. And worse, we see those who simply cannot be defined as “immigrants” but must be called “invaders” who specifically seek to overthrow. That’s precisely why immigration laws are enacted and why all who seek to offer “charity” to “immigrants” must learn the distinctions between those who are here to contribute to the nation (while bolstering their own well-being) and those who are here either to suck the life-blood of the nation or to overthrow.

  • To integrate peacefully and not disrupt the common good, their religion and beliefs must not be at odds with Christianity, upon which our law, society and common good rests. They must not seek to supplant, oppose or destroy it. So some foreigners must be met with hostility and not allowed in. Others, such as Buddhists, may be encouraged to stay or visit but must not have full citizen rights until they fully integrate- ie. become Christian or at least have sympathetic, pro-Christian views. This excludes Moslems from entering countries at the moment for starters- even on visas or as tourists. Makes good sense

  • Mary

    So happy to read this. I totally agree with St. Thomas Aquinas. In addition, I, always, thought that no one should be working in our government that isn’t, at least, two or three generations.

  • Jameson

    So, why aren’t many of our Catholic priests and Catholic Charities abiding by St Thomas’ words instead of chasing after government monies and undermining our country and our faith in the process. The behavior of many catholics is obviously the result of following the principles of secular humanism not Catholicism, reason and logic.

  • Jacqueleen

    In the USA, it is a question of enforcing our good Immigration Laws that appear to follow what St. Thomas Aquinas suggests relative to the treatment of Immigrants. Borders and the security at borders have been in existence for many centuries including when Our Lord and the Apostles walked the land. (Jesus walked within 100 miles of Jerusalem.) St. Paul advised his disciples to honor the laws of the country that they entered indicating that they must abide by those laws. Open borders is a huge mistake. The Catholic Hierarchy have confused mercy with permissiveness and we all know what happens when parents are permissive with their children. The results are spoiled brats! My God is a God of Justice and Mercy……which does not include permissiveness. It is a known fact that the Bible cannot be added to or deleted or changed in any way. God is faithful and steadfast. He does not change…We do. Permissiveness is from the devil and leads to the wide road to hell. God’s Mercy is not permissiveness!

  • Mary George

    Muslims come to our country to change us.That is why they should be deported and not allowed in.

    • Most of the Muslims in the US came here to escape terrorists and/or tyrannical governments in their homelands.

  • anAmericanByChoice

    The main principle is integration. One leaves behind one country and immigrates to another in search of a better life, liberty, opportunities, etc. If one has no desire to integrate and abide by the laws of the land, in this case, the Supreme Law of the Land, the original Constitution and BoR, and if one wants to continue to exclusively speak the language of his ancestors, then one should not enter the US of A with the intent of immigrate. If settling down in the USA respect for local law, culture, language is essential. If immigrants and refugees want to enter the USA with the purpose of living in ghettos/closed communities, and maintain their for ways, then they should go back to their own countries.

  • Tom woods

    There is only one thing I don’t like about immigration, those who come here illegally. I will never accept and never understand why any American does not agree with that.

  • albertbryson

    I wonder about immigrants coming into our country and are not assimilating. We have to provide translations services because they are not interested in speaking English. Most immigrants that come from Mexico and Latin America are violating our immigration laws and are staying. We should deport those that commit real crimes. I don’t mind illegals who come and stay and learn English. What I object to is that are getting all kinds of benefits and assistance that properly should be given to citizens only.

  • Fleur

    Good points. Fine if people come wwith good intentions. NOT fine if THEY ARE COMING TO RAPE, KILL, OVERTURN OUR CONSTITUTION, CHANGE OUR LAWS, DIET, LANGUAGE
    AND EVERYTHING ELSE OUR CULTURE INVOLVES.

    I AM AGAINST THIS AND ST. THOMAS WOULD BE ALSO.
    REMEMBER HE SAID “PEACEFUL” AND “HOSTILE” ARE THE TWO TYPES.

    99 PERCENT COMING OVER HERE ARE HOSTILE. WE ARE NOT GETTING THE CHRISTIANS, WHO DESERVE REFUGEE STATUS.

    PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE RIGHT IDEA AND I STAND WITH HIM AS WELL AS GOV. ABBOTT OF TEXAS.

  • PBHayes

    If Aquinas were alive today he would take the obvious position that Islam in its present form is incompatible with modern civilized societies and thus should not be allowed to spread to those nations. The left would call him a fascist and call for his death.

    • If Aquinas were alive today, he might be even more critical of “modern civilized societies” than of Islam!

      • PBHayes

        Aquinas would compare present day Christianity and Judaism with present day Islam and come to the obvious conclusion that Islam is wholly corrupt, irrational and not a religion but a political and legal ideology unsuitable for society.

        • The Marxist secularism that dominates modern societies is many times worse than Islam.

          • PBHayes

            I don’t know what world you live in but I’m Irish Catholic and don’t know any Marxist secularist. The only ones I see are on TV and they’re Democrats who aren’t worth the cost of a bullet.

          • If you had spent any time on college campuses in the US you would know lots of Marxist secularists!

          • PBHayes

            I hold degrees in political science with a focus on socialist political thought, government, philosophy and law. I’ve been a member of state bars since the lat 70’s and I was an international FBI Agent for 25 years. I have seen it all and worked in every former Soviet Republic. I worked in almost every Islamic country and I know far more than the people who are supposed experts. Islam is a cancer and that’t just the way it is. In every debate i entered in college that involved my position v my professors I won. They supported communism and yet believed in God. Odd people. I also served in the infantry during the Vietnam War. I never met a single soldier who didn’t believe in God.

  • Janet

    This is good. However, I am not sure if you understand the system today. Today’s immigration policy doesn’t allow you to assimilate into the society. You first must apply for your green card or citizenship. This takes a few years and thousands of dollars. Then once you are approved for the waiting list for the green card number, you have to wait another 5-8 (or even longer) for a number to become available and then you can apply (more money) for your green card. You are not allowed to wait in the country while you wait for your number, you have to wait outside. If your sponsor (your US citizen parent, or sibling) dies while you are waiting, you lose your approval. So, there is no preparation like in early times, for being a citizen within a country. Once you get your green card, then you can move to the US. Then you wait another 5 years, apply for naturalization and then wait another 3-5 to apply for citizenship.
    And this is for countries like Canada. If you are from another country like the Phillipines, then you are waiting 20-30 years before you can come to the US.
    So, the system is meant to keep people out. And assimilation is probably difficult after waiting for so long to get into the country.
    I am in complete agreement with vetting who should be able to come and be a citizen, but in my opinion, the way the system is set up now, it encourages people to become illegal.

    • sherry

      I didn’t know any of that. Is there any protection for you while you wait?

  • Tom

    Thank you. Very well stated

  • Tom Qualey

    Does anyone know if the US Bishops have addressed these insights from St. Thomas?

  • MichaelCro

    THIS WAS VERY ENLIGHTENING AN SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE PEOPLE TO READ AN MIGHT PUT AN END TO ALL THIS RIOTING

  • Dasgeiss

    There are 196 countries in this world. What makes every immigrant want to come to the United States? Many countries require that an immigrant have a job or means of self subsistence before entering their country as an immigrant. The main draw to the United States is “Freebees”! They come here for a better life but where is it written that we must provide the “better life” for them? This is nuts!

  • PatriciaFraide

    Makes so much sense! Would that those whining about Trumps temporary ban could understand this!

  • Dasgeiss

    Mexican immigrants and the Mexican Oligopoly are always complaining about our Immigration policy. What if we adopted their immigration policy? What would they say then?

  • Publius

    Senators Dick Durbin, Ed Markey, Jeff Merkley, Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi and all those other Catholics in name only need to read and understand the harm that they do to the followers and the Catholic Church.

  • LEP

    It is mostly liberal democrats who are pushing for liberal immigration policies. Their purpose is to turn immigrants into voters, whether legal or illegally. They give them welfare, food stamps, social security benefits, etc. to buy their loyalty to the democratic party. They will do anything, whether legal or not, to perpetuate themselves in power. But, immigration is only one of their tactics to acquire and maintain their political hegemony. Another is to create social unrest, like race riots. Their aim is to get the whole society in upheaval and chaos in order to give them an excuse to step in with marshal law and take over the entire country. Their ultimate goal is to overthrow the established government and take over the country. They have learned a lot from the communist who took over Russia, eastern Europe and China by low level tactics. You think in can’t happen here? Don’t kid yourself. Hopefully, the good people in America will wake up and see what is going on, as they partially did in the last election, got their asses to the poles on election day and voted for men of integrity to manage our government. If we are going to be a nation of the people then the people must take their responsibility seriously. Another tactic that is going on in a big way is the corruption of the educational system corrupting impressionable minds and making them subservient to the state.

  • Terrence tran

    This is also my view.

  • E.R. from Tulsa OK

    I cannot believe I am hearing all this comments from Christians, like “I am sick of hearing about humanitarian reasons.” So you are quoting Thomas, how about quoting the Bible “faith, hope and love, the three of them; and the greatest of them is love” (1 Cor 13,13). When we forget charity then we are not been Christians, plain and simple. I do agree with many of the comments, and definitely agree with St. Thomas, about respecting the laws, and taking care of people who enter illegally, by following the law. The security of our country is a major concern, but Jesus never said it was secure, or easy to be a Christian, if you doubt that just look at the martyrs. We cannot make laws, that do not put the love and mercy of God first, that is what a not Christian person would do. In the same manner, that we defend the defenseless unborn children that are been murdered before they are born, we must be careful not to send the defenseless refugees, etc. back to a sure death by acting without charity and love. In addition, as Americans not too many years ago we though the wall in another part of the world that divided places was wrong and cheered when it came down, thanks to mostly one of our popes, but now we talk against our current pope for talking against the building of a wall in our own country, I call that hypocrisy.

  • JMC

    I see only two issues in this article: when immigrants should be granted citizenship, and whether some people should be turned away. But, St Thomas did not argue for massive deportation, nor would he do such a thing, nor did he argue for allowing people to live in the shadows. It is also important to note that the Church as a whole has more authority than St. Thomas Aquinas, even he would agree to that. The principles that the Church has established are as follows:

    – People have the right to migrate to sustain their lives and the lives of their families.
    – A country has the right to regulate its borders and to control immigration.
    – A country must regulate its borders with justice and mercy.

  • bkeyes71@yahoo.com

    Very interesting, sounds a lot like president Trump’s aims about immigration. Common sense for the common good of the country, we must keep the terrorists out no matter what the Demonrats say they are so for getting votes they don’t give a dam if the country gets destroyed in there process of letting in immigrants from terrorist nations.

  • William Richter

    The problem isn’t immigration, the problem is illegal immigration. We lock our doors because we don’t want criminals entering our homes unannounced with evil intent. We protect our homes, lives, goods,and children. The same goes for a nation. We have legal immigration for the same reasons. Illegal immigration is occurring by the thousands, by the millions. Drugs and criminals are flowing into the country. Only a fool would equate what’s happening in our country with what ST. Thomas I talking about.

  • Besstercera

    Seems to me that the Bible refers to aliens in the singular for a reason (Do not molest ‘a stranger,’ not Do not molest ‘throngs of strangers’). Not that this needs explanation, but…First, the very way the language is set tells a great deal. ‘A stranger’ is vulnerable, isolated, needy. We are moved to show charity. ‘Hoards of strangers,’ on the other hand, suggests a threat, and in such case, we hardly need to be counselled not to bother them. Seems we’d be too busy trying to avoid being bothered ourselves. Of course, what we have in the U.S. situation is ‘throngs of strangers’ pouring over the border of a sovereign country, molesting/bothering us by the sheer number, let alone what any criminals bring with them. There are more than a few problems with that, but I will specify two: First, as the article scratches at, let such an inorganic situation thrive unchecked, and the country that is so appealing to the stranger will cease to be. Second, a country acting as a relief valve for 2nd and 3rd world messes will only aid in perpetuating the mess in the mother land. I would be very interested to see human ingenuity flow again when ‘must do’ becomes the master of an otherwise fleeing people, sponsored by an actually secure southern U.S. border.

  • Jimmy Chonga

    One of the worse things to ever happen to the church was the betrayal of REALISM for Kantianism. What a massive mistake.

  • Jesus is God

    The Book of Nehemiah records how Nehemiah, a Jew living in Babylon, was granted permission to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. The first thing Nehemiah did when he got there was to rebuild the wall to keep out any that should not be there.

  • Elizabeth Schmeidler

    Send your video to Trump and Pence. They are going to need sound sources backing them up and reassurance at times.

  • Excellent point.Thanks for the Article.

  • fernando orozco

    I dont know about st thomas. But i know what Jesus said in the sermon on the mount. Do not oppress outsiders, for you were once oppressed in the land of Egypt. Seems to me that this story about st thomas is being used to rationalize discriminatory behavior. If you come to do bad, get out, plain and simple. If you come in peace, welcome. But of course there will be some that will say “violation of our immigration laws is bad, so they came to do bad, thus they should leave.” More rationalization to be able to oppress. Reminds me of some of the readings from the civil rights movement. People would bust out there bible and twist the words around to rationalize treating blacks and other non whites as inferior to them.

  • 1LT Los

    First no law can see into the future especially immigration law. Second very simply our law; Title 8 US Code Setion 1325 is clear, it is neither peaceful nor hostile – simply to the point that no person crossing into the United States anywhere than at an official point of entry is here illegally. Ms Fiensteins unaccompanied child act of 2007 acts only to undermine us Code section 1325 and in the spirit of attempting to nullify a law that is of national societal agreement, her ‘act’ is malicious and contrived. Moreover, government induced recruiting of foreigners into our borders is not immigration. That is recruitment. They are here illegally and must leave. No matter what Thomas Equnas thought. Borders were porous back in the day. Today nations are defined by borders. Politicians are defined by their stupidity and my goodness that last ‘president’ really demonstrated that.
    Thank you

  • Paul

    St. Thomas lived 700 years ago when the world was divided into kingdoms. Kingdoms have since gone away….and acceded to nation-states – the system of rule we have now….and this too will pass away…for the world is too small for us to continue the façade of division. God calls us to be unified – and I have yet to see a picture of the earth from space that showed any boundaries at all….In Christ we are all one…and if we do not live in the city of our birth, all of us are migrants and immigrants – whether it is from city to city as it was in the time of St. Thomas Aquinas or nation to nation as it is now….Jesus, Mary and Joseph were refuges and immigrants and were all of our ancestors…May God bless all of them and may God bless all those who received them…

  • Slim

    So if all the decent people flee a country like El Salvadore, only evil people will be left behind. That country will likely self-destruct. (Granted, that may take a long time.) Then good people will again be free to migrate back. If many would pray thru St. Thomas, this may speed up the devastation.

  • LiamTheDream

    Thank you Patsy Koenig. May God, his Blessed Mother and Saint Padre Pio look after you now and in to eternity.

  • sunburstmike

    I wish to give a scenario as an analogy. Let’s say you were going to have a family (friends or extended family…makes no difference) come to stay for a certain period…e.g. 2 weeks. Two of your invited guests are confirmed smokers but your family are all non-smokers. You may say to your guests that you understand their addiction and desire to smoke and pass no judgement on their lifestyle. You may also kindly invite them to smoke only in a designated area, such as the garage or backyard. Now, let’s say they come for their visit and agree to your terms…but….after a few days they can’t take the rules and decide to treat your home as their own and smoke freely in every room and in front of everybody (small children included). They also do not accept your rebuff or rebuke and so continue in defiance. Now, tell me what your guests have become. They have become INVADERS! They have decided that you, your family, your desires, your needs, and your happiness matter not…only their willful conquest matters and that it decides the rule of the day. Seeing any difference from this and from Muslims immigrating and demanding Sharia law means one is not paying attention or is incompetent to make critical judgments and/or grown-up decisions. Good horse sense says that there is no difference between the two, except in circumstance or severity. Even the Good Samaritan only paid for a certain number of days and not for a lifetime hotel stay!

  • Bea Zienkosky

    I wish everyone who is so against our wanting to stop some immigration , not all, would read this. I was so glad to read that what happens to our country may well depend on our stopping so much immigration of those who feel this is the Promised Land. I love my church but disagree with some of their soft heartedness because they are not looking at the big picture as we all are. That our country is in danger of being not what it was originally to be. I think that we should immediatelly stop all immigration for a while until we see what we have here. I wish President Trump could read this too because this is basically what he is saying. Also , to have St. Thomas Aquinas write about immigration so eloquently, and how it will eventually take over the country’s true reason for being, such as no communism or laws changed to accomodate these foreigners way of thinking, would be a boost in his,, President Trump’s thinking as well.
    As for the protestors, they are mainly pro liberal people. They are not even thinking about the future of their country and they may be sorry for what they wish for or they will get it. Takeover by foreigners who are about destroying America. Bea

  • OLDBUFF53

    Il Papa and American Bishops and Cardinals need to reread the Summa and St Thomas’s thoughts and teaching as spelled out in this article. Their stand on open migration and immigration will in the end destroying the nation.

  • Rons Abhish

    In the recent context wh,ether we are aware or blind to the fact
    Two utmost important thngs needs to come into consideration.

    1 The dissolution of boarders
    2 The one world order

    before making any favorable or unfavorable comments pls educate yourself on the two topics.
    Mother mary herself mentioned about the harms of this century migration in many messages

  • Barbaracvm

    Pope needs to study St. Thomas Aquinas He would not be able to make the outrageous and wrong comments about illegal immigrants

  • adolfocosta123

    Immigration without order and legitimacy does not generate more rights than those basic human rights of each person all over the world.

  • Emily

    Reading this thread (I see it’s years old, but maybe some will still be following and respond), I notice commenters feeding off each other’s “concerns” for our pope (which are actually insinuations and suspicions), talk of entitlement and silver platters and misplaced charity toward aliens…overwhelmingly referring to “immigrants” as opposed to “refugees” (refugees are people who will likely be killed if they remain in their home country, just like the Holy Family when they fled to Egypt), etc. Egging each other on like this, how far will you be willing to go?? Not content to leave it at the Muslims, a commenter even said those “from south of the border” should be sent home. Mexicans are CATHOLICS, yet, still not acceptable because…? So, is it really about religion, then, or is there another more pressing concern about immigrants in general (not assimilating into OUR culture, taking advantage of OUR charity, taking OUR jobs (wait, which was it again? – do they take advantage of our welfare benefits or do they take our jobs?), fooling THOSE liberals who are too nice to them. In the midst of all that confusion and disorder, what a relief to see that St. Thomas Aquinas was not one of those politically correct softies, eh? (I am referring more to the comments than to the original article, which seemed pretty level-headed. Mr. Horvat writes that “proportional immigration has always been a healthy development in a society,” but many here seem to interpret “proportional” as “total shut down until we recover some lost footing.”)

    Does anyone on this forum actually believe that if you asked Jesus “Do I have to be charitable to everyone? Do I have to love ALL my neighbors as myself?” that He would reply, “Now don’t get carried away. I didn’t mean THEM.”

    Considering the antipope sentiment that I have read in these comments, maybe posting a recent quote from Pope Francis on his trip to Egypt will be counterproductive, but I’ll share it anyway. “True faith,” he told Catholics, “makes us more charitable, more merciful, more honest and more humane. It moves our hearts to love everyone without counting the cost.” (http://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/04/29/true-faith-means-loving-others-extreme-pope-tells-egypts-catholics)

    When you start getting swept up in anti-immigrant sentiment such as what has been posted here for the last three years, do you feel your heart opening to your neighbor? Do you feel “more charitable, more merciful, more honest and more humane?” Or is more of an exhilarating feeling, “Hah! I knew it. We’re right.”? It might be worth prayerfully considering the difference in that feeling, and where it might come from.

    Finally, remember the context in which Jesus told the parable of the Good Samaritan. Luke 10:29 tells us that it was in response to a scholar of the law who “wished to justify himself” by asking Jesus “And who is my neighbor?”

  • LMan

    Brilliant! I love the analysis using St. Thomas Acquinas… What is amazing, is his genius in being able to cleanly sort through the quagmire that has infected the SJW generation and even the Vatican… the calls for “equality” of religious beliefs is beyond ridiculous… you can’t have one belief system based on violence and refusing to accept the tenants of the other (the Magisterium), and call them “equals”…. And, since Vatican II, that is what one Pope after another has done… There is only 1 true Church… all others are contrary to the intent of God and Jesus.

  • Mike Knife

    We are a nation of laws and if we allow a few people to break the laws then others will think they can break the law and get away with it and that is where you now have so much crime here in America. The idea you can let somebody into a country illegally comes with it’s problems. First of all the person who breaks the law lives in fear because they know they broke the law and then they see that they are getting away with it and then go on to commit more crimes because they can get away with it. No making immigrants come here legally is not only breaking the law but promoting to them that it is ok to break the laws. Hard criminals see that and take advantage of that and again that is where you get violent crimes. You are letting violent criminals into the country who have committed violent crimes in their own country and now they run to another country to get away and commit more crimes. Not following the laws in this case is not doing them or yourself any favors. We all will pay for out sins in the end. If we hope to have a real future we need to do the best we can but we must have rules and follow them to have a future. Letting criminals go is like acting like another criminals who is working with that criminal. Stop making the country into a criminal hide out. When more criminals see they will be protected more will come and turn your city into a living hell like the one the criminals is trying to escape from. The reason many people are leaving their country is because it became a living hell where criminals were running the country and if you let the criminals come here and stay without removing them you will be turning you city, town, state, country into a living hell like the one the criminals came from. We have a system for people to enter the country legally which is more than some countries have and it is there for a reason, if they want to come they can use that way. That will make them legal citizens who will be more likely to follow the laws and work and pay taxes and help rather than cause harm.

  • Daniel DeMarco

    Only the citizens familiar with the history of their country are in the best position to make decisions about the future of their country? I can’t disagree more with this argument in light of what is going on in the United States right now. Alternate facts, fake news…the POTUS should not be making decisions about the future of the United States. He has no desire to be honest or accept the facts right in front of him.

  • Diane Hovinga

    This is just plain old common sense! We have too many people who have come into our country who refuse to assimilate and in some cases want us to live by their rules!

  • Olive Sullivan

    My friend is an exceptional highly trained legal immigrant -cancer scientist with 2 top achievements for the common good – trying to immigrate since 16 years from Germany. She applied under the last administration for her green card with many recommendations of top scientists. She did end up before Deportation court and cant leave the country for 20 years has no work authorization, no health insurance … NOTHING.
    The Church- many of their members tell her she would be privileged enough to be a legal immigrant and their duty is to help illegal Mexican people. She should not bother them and trust in GOD.
    Senator told her it is the LAW that she has to WAIT. Nobody can change that and she should be happy that she has not to wait in a REFUGEE CAMP.
    Her only hope is the new President- who promised to help LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FIRST, and not last like it was beforehand. She tries everything she can because now she really don’t want to go back – to Europe, where the Churches are empty.. tybut NOBODY is helping her. Everybody speaks about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

  • Alan Bowie

    People need to understand that the concept of a ‘nation’ is not a philosophical concept. It is the only workable way a group can manage and organize it’s citizens with any economy of enforcing laws and organizing its’ assets and labor force. Also, over time, people within specific geographic areas have developed their own ideas of governance and customs. Often, these differences are incompatible with those of other cultures, and assimilation of one group with another, on a large scale, leads to violence, and disruption of the common goals of the assimilating society. This is why immigration policies that have been successful are ones that have limited the amount of certain groups, not in a discriminatory way, but in a way that would cause or allow newcomers to have to work with and learn the laws, language and customs of their new country. It is best for the immigrent as well as the assimilating nation. This follows the concept that a responsible government must look first to the peace and order and obedience to laws of the nation. Massive levels of the same culture being allowed in often causes (there is power in numbers) civil disobedience, the pushing for the new nation to accept their concepts of law, morality and incompatible views on the difference between ‘right and wrong’.
    Limited amounts of immigration allows, some may say forces, the newcomers to need to become aware of the nation ‘why’s and how’s’ so they actually understand the new culture. Only knowledge of a new culture can lead to respect for that culture.

  • Dasgeiss

    Just a lot of common sense as I see it. He was truly blessed by the Holy Spirit with high intelligence. Always have respect for him.

  • Marc Veilleux

    the author didn’t address the Jewish problem: Judaism from the Thora forbids Israelites to mix with other nations; so they can’t integrate and must be segregated … but with respect and charity. It is inconcivable to see some Jew migrate into any country and not only receiving citizenship very fast, but getting elected or given the higthess responsabilities at the government of the welcoming nation.

  • BillinJax

    “The nation must practice justice and charity towards all, including foreigners, but it must above all safeguard the common good and its unity, without which no country can long endure.”

    Replace The Nation with Our Faith
    Foreigners with Non-Christians
    Common Good with Truth
    Unity with Traditional values
    No Country with The Church
    and you have a clear picture of the REAL TRAGEDY we face today.
    And the threat is coming from WITHIN.
    Unfortunately, over the past several decades, the clergy has been seduced by rationalism to the point it is believed we can’t help ourselves from mortal sin hence they no longer need to hear our confessions. Traditional worship with humility in surroundings which give us the feeling of being in the house of God are deemed unnecessary and outdated. Catholic politicians are permitted, without public chastisement by their bishops, to garner funds, institute policies, enact laws which promote mortal sin among the populous openly. Is it still the teaching of the Church to “Know them by their fruits”? If they are not bearing good fruit they are to be cut down. Instead they are granted honorary degrees by our universities, praised for their “good intentions” regardless of the destruction and chaos brought on by their actions.
    Truly, many are called to be His followers and a part of His kingdom, but few are those who will be worthy of his choice.

  • Jacqueleen

    This main point hit me.
    #1. “Man’s relations with foreigners are twofold: peaceful, and hostile: and in directing both kinds of relation the Law contained suitable precepts.” It is clear that St. Thomas was speaking about legal immigration.

    The problem in the USA is not legal immigration, but ILLEGAL MIGRATION AND THE MUSLIM REFUGEES COMING IN BY THE THOUSANDS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF EVALUATION AS TO WHETHER THEY WILL BE GOOD OR BAD FOR THE COUNTRY.
    These processes are condone by the Catholic Church especially Pope Francis who is more concerned with the common good of the illegal aliens and the forced acceptance of Muslim refugees than the common good of the citizens of the bombarded nation.

    We all are witnessing daily, the attacks on Christians all over the world since the explosion of refugees from the Middle Eastern countries AND we are witnessing the results of the drug cartel from Mexico infiltrating all of our major cities and the epidemic abuse of drugs causing many ” overdose” deaths. Then, we are witnessing in the US the numbers of criminals that have wandered onto our streets by way of open borders causing the crime rate to escalate. The illegal alien and the Muslim refugees are costing the US BILLIONS TO CARE FOR THEM. I have not had time to research this, but I was told recently that a Muslim refugee is given $4000/month when they arrive here….That is many times more than the average citizen’s Social Security payment which has not been raised in 3 years.

    The Catholic Thing just published an article on ‘DAWA” which is a Muslim’s vow. Dawa is subjugation which is their main method of conquering a nation FROM WITHIN. Because the Koran allows Muslims to lie and deceive, the so-called Moderate Muslims are here to multiply and infiltrate every facet of our nation until they are in the majority and will take over the nation with the installation of Sharia Law. The violent radical killings is A DISTRACTION OF WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES.

    It is time for America to wake up and to stop being the nice guy. There is no other country that will come to our defense when the Muslims take over. Think about this. Could a Muslim afford to come here by the thousands on their own? No. They needed this false red flag operation fleeing their homelands as “REFUGEES” to get them here and all over Europe. You must understand that Islam is not a religion but rather a political cult….a demonic cult.

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PEACEFUL MUSLIM…TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT HISTORY….THEY WERE ALWAYS AGGRESSIVELY WARRING TO CONQUER NATIONS. We in America must stop being politically correct which is going to strangle us and EVICT EVERY MUSLIM and BAN THEIR RE-ENTRY to save our nation just as Queen Isabella of Spain did to save her country.

    DEPORTATION OF THE ILLEGAL ALIEN and expired Visas HAS TO HAPPEN TO BRING JOBS BACK TO AMERICAN WORKERS. Say no to the spending bill that will bring in more foreign workers in white collar positions.
    http://www.breitbart.com/…/gop-legislators-push-plan-replace-americans-import-264000-fo

    Complacency will be your nemesis. Act, pay Attention and contact your Congress people to demand that they start representing you, the American Citizen and not the foreigner and to enforce our good Immigration Laws. Just heard two relatives were told that their jobs are eliminated…..MAKING ROOM FOR THE H-1B WORKER…..SPREADING THE WEALTH GLOBALLY?????

    Pray the Rosary for the conversion of Muslims. They are far more dangerous than the Communists, who are bad enough. Pray for this country and its leadership.

    By your Holy And Immaculate Conception, O Mary, deliver us from evil. Amen.

  • Markangelo

    Wow ! The theologian that taught Bill Clinton ‘mental reservation’. (Georgetown Law School)

  • Mary Bryant

    I watched the video and was quite pleased by what St. Thomas of Aquinas said so many centuries ago, and Mr. Horvat is saying today. Of course I am equating this to the Muslims.

    I have been saying over and over, besides, we have seen what has happened in France, Germany, Sweden, and Italy. The Muslims are here in the U.S. to takeover. They want our country, they want to destroy our culture, and they want to crucify all Catholics and Christians and impose Islam! Check out the word “Dawa.”

    Fifty years ago I would not have thought this to be possible. Today, if the Democrats and Liberals do not wake up, in about twenty to twenty-five years, we ALL may be living in a country we Do No recognize! WAKE UP AMERICA!

    Thank God those of us who have foresight and recognized what the Democrats are all about were able to band together through our prayers and begged God to put a man who loves his country and fellow Americans at the helm.

    The fight has just begun!

  • Jacqueleen

    This may well be Obama’s world, but Jesus Christ is still in control and woe to those evil doers in high places especially those who are implementing and supporting the death culture and to those who bring harm to His faithful remnant. Jesus, I trust in You!

  • 2Shadow2

    Unprotected borders aside, INS could never even keep track of those travel visas who just never left. Government cannot manage anything. Their only function is bureaucracy and paper pushing. The “refugee” program is a total farce to get the political ideology disguised as a religion established in the USA. Understand that Communists (liberals) and Islam have the same political goals. Totalitarian rule and global domination. A precise murder suicide pact if there ever was one. And then there is this travesty of government incompetence. 6.5 million people over 112 years old with SS numbers?? Really??
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/death-stop-social-security-payments/

  • JAZ

    Freedom of expression is ignorantly abused in the US. Like Freedom to display a flag of origin? I find this as a sign of disrespect to the host country unless one is an official representative of a nation and a diplomat. It’s illegal in other countries to display a foreign flag in public if you are not a diplomat.

    I immigrated here and I will abide and immerse to its culture. I respect this nation for the opportunity given to me and my family. I don’t forget where I came from but I love this country that our Lord God led me and my family to go.

  • Juan Hernandez

    Question to you is who were the first immigrants in this country? Once you take into account the first pilgrims who settled this country did not integrate. This totally sounds as if it is one-sided and if you truly believe in this article well then you have to admit the Indians and the Mexicans were here far before any Americans were. It wasn’t until Manifest Destiny was imposed and the laws dividing races and early segregation, because this country was already unified with a people it was the pilgrims that came and did not conform to the scripture! You can mold this posting anyway you want but it sounds like you’re trying to make it fit your own agenda!

  • Jacqueleen

    Amen. Things are predicted to get worse before they get better.
    The Tribulation will be like nothing we can remember or have experienced before. It is times like this that I want to believe in the Rapture even though the Catholic Church does not.
    By your Holy and Immaculate Conception, O Mary, deliver us from evil. Amen. Ps. 91 is for protection….I say it often.

    • Tom

      Oh grow a pair for crying out loud. You’re a Catholic, not a heretic and if you are a heretic, then get out of our church. Have some more pride in the Catholic church instead of wishing to be some hell-bound, self-worshipping heathen which is all prots are. If you’re not a Catholic than keep your nose in your rebellious cult and mind your own business.

      EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS!

      • Jacqueleen

        Get an education. Read the bible, Mr. Ignoramous. Read the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelations…..Then apologize for your nastiness.

    • sherry

      You know you are apiece of work! Psalms 91 is about what Christ did for you, and a promise of what he will continue to do for those who abide in him. It is one of my favorite Psalms and I read it in darkest times, for rest, strength and encouragement. Besides protecting us from fowler snare, ( people like you,) and pestilence sickness and disease. ( again people like you). And besides hiding us under his wing, that is not the Psalm to use when you need God to fight for you. There is one for God defending his people but it is not Psalm 91. But please read it anyway, it is excellent example of what Christ sufferings accomplished for those who would believe. If you read your Bible you know God will save his Church, it is foreordained, as is the Church will be the Bride of Christ without spot or blemish. Yet you speak as if you can Judge her and you cannot. Because what God has foreordained will come to pass. Also as I mentioned to you before You will be Judged for every word you speak. And you are speaking a lot. And most of it is not true, misleading or at least a far reace. For the Love of God, the whole World is accusing your Church, and you join in! Where is this mighty faith you speak of? Don’t you believe that Gods Church will be the Bride of Christ without spot or blemish? People Pslams 91 is about Christ sacrifice so you can have life more abundantly. He will save you, he will shelter you and he is a very real help in time of trouble. A beautiful Pslam. But its not the one you use when you need God to fight for you! Beware this Woman has nothing good for those who love Christ and his Church. She has lied about the worlds current events, she has mislead people on Church History, she has been misleading on Church Doctrine and know she is now accusing Gods Church. Beware! Beware! Do not take her word for it go see for yourselves. Be Christ like now more then ever do not follow in this woman’s soul harming ways! God will rescue his Bride. And be very displeased with those who would knock her down.

  • Juan Hernandez

    This posting is amazing ! I agree! Immigration without simulation is invasion! My question is this did the early settlers of America do this with the native Americans or the Mexicans in the southern part of America also known as Texas? Ask the native American if they would agree with this whole posting? Then ask yourself shouldn’t you be speaking a form of dialect in Indian language or speaking Spanish in what’s known as Texas! I’d say everyone has much more to reflect on if you believe exactly what St Thomas Aquinas and the scripture say about this! Otherwise it’s just an agenda at pushing out what you don’t want to accept! God bless you and thank you!

  • Cindy Preisser

    The problem with the immigrants coming here and to other countries is that they are fleeing ISIS and not coming to become Americans. They didn’t want to leave their homes or cultures. They are not of a mind to assimilate. They want to go home. There is a city, unfortunately I can’t remember the name, where immigrants were demanding that Sharia law be the law of the city. It didn’t happen but it shows the mindset of many of the people who are coming here. Safe places in their own countries would be a solution and NATO should be their security.

  • Kathleen Ivan

    The delay of citizenship is most logical. Liking this article.

  • Richard J Sojka

    A friend of mine just recently got fired from his job as a trumpet teacher at a local music store. Why? He was chatting online in a Neighborhood Watch Community chat room. He was complaining about the loud mariachi music being played in his rural neighborhood at 2:00 to 4:00 AM in the morning. To this day I do not know the reason for this habit of playing loud music at night. Possible reasons could have been grieving for a loved one, having a party, working on 2nd shift, etc. What amazes me is “NO ONE BOTHERED TO FIGURE OUT THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS NOISE PROBLEM?”

    Instead a lady got online with my friend and disagreed with what he was chatting about! My friend crossed the line and took this conversation in the direction of illegal immigration in this country. The implication being that if we didn’t have “DAMN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS” in this country we would not have a “NOISE PROBLEM” in the neighborhood. This chat discussion immediately denigrated into a heated argument of almost “Biblical Proportions” meaning “things got way out of hand.”

    As a result this lady sent a transcript of the entire chat to all the music stores where my friend teaches trumpet. Every music store except one treated these “private” discussions as just one of your typical online disagreements. One did not and this is the store that fired him. I had just finished a trumpet lesson with my friend, when I say get fired from a place he had worked for 15 years.

    This got me to thinking why people get into online arguments so frequently over seemingly innocent but opposite points of view. For some reason, expressing one’s opinions online always degrades into childish “I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG CONVERSATIONS.” “WHAT IF THEY ARE BOTH RIGHT?” I am guilty of this practice myself!

    Why does this happen? It is not a question of who is right and who is wrong? I think that social media has made it too convenient for us to unload our emotions, feelings, anger, disgust, etc. on people who we do not even know. This results in explosions of vehement, vile, and pernicious online arguments.
    If one had been face to face with this person, this would not have happened. Just by reading a person’s body language and hearing their voice inflections, one can learn a lot.

    I know that people are passionate about what they know and what they believe, but “IS THIS A REASON TO LAUNCH INTO A HEATED ARGUMENT WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE ANOTHER PERSON IS COMING FROM?” What ever happened to cooperation, collaboration, and compromise? What ever happened to “VIVA LA DIFFERENCE!”

    All I know is that when “Cooler Heads Prevail,” they discuss their differences in a cooperative way, This when a magical solution appears or progress is made. When I was a kid, we would wait for the “GOOD HUMOR MAN” to come by with bells ringing on his “Ice Cream Truck” to get some of his delicious ice cream treats.

    Why not treat our differences with good humor? Ah! Yet another dream, I will never see in my lifetime?Many people say I am an OLD ZEALOT OPTIMIST that is totally crazy, weird, and unreasonable. I say what the hell, be a maverick and think thoughts of “Good Humor!” We do not see enough of this in the world of online social media.

    “The reasonable person adopts himself or herself to the world; the unreasonable person persists in trying to adapt the world to themselves. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable person.” –George Bernard Shaw

  • Jacqueleen

    If I unsubscribe to Return to Order it will be because of the nonsense and bothersome emails from a Sherry….I hope she is not on your payroll.

  • GodnCountry

    This was a very good and helpful article. Many struggle between Christian kindness and protection of country, with good reason. There are nefarious purposes to immigration. As we recently have seen, Russia asserts Crimea is populated by Russians thus it should be their’s. They didn’t remind people they forced Russians to migrate to the Ukraine. Hitler said that certain areas of Czechoslovakia had a high German population; thus, it should be his and he took it. The approach stated here is simple and logical. I think this is the way immigration used to be treated. Our grandparents came here to be part of the American Experience not to make America over. You also see this with people migrating to a different state – they inexplicably seem to want to change it to what they left thus changing it to what they didn’t want.

  • Diana Maldonado

    Finally, sanity in immigration.

  • Anna Emdenborg

    There are some very good points there! But the generalizations are never correct, as being foreign to a country also has its benefits; such as being capable of seeing things “from afar” that might be invisible to people living in the midst of it. If a person is well read, has studied the country where one wants to go, knows its history and present issues because of interest and also serious studies – this person might even bring good to a receiving nation…. if and when that particular person do not have his/hers own agendas, but acts on the love for the receiving country.
    One country that shows that this particular way of emigration is correct – is Israel. Where the people wanting to live there have the common interest of the nation in sight, more than the private and personal economic gain. Therefor I would like to add an “ingredient” to this important issue of immigration; the reason as to why a person has chosen to come to a particular country. If it is because there has been a previous investigation and a specific selection as to this particular country on part of the person who wants to emigrate based on a match (the person wanting to emigrate has selected a country to live in because of that particular country politics or history that suites that persons own worldview) between the person and the receiving country – or if the person just wants to emigrate because of money issues or being in a position of needing a place of refuge. In the best of cases, emigration should be like a match of marriage – as it is for life – and never with the intention of trying to change the other (the country in this case) or just being submitted to the will of the other (the country in this case) and thereby not being capable of participating or giving anything new or an important contribution to the receiving nation. In the best of cases the receiving nation should be capable to select people that can and will contribute to the nation in a way that suites that particular nations longterm view of values and common will/good.