Is the American Catholic Right Like ISIS?

İD_bayrağı_ile_bir_militan-300x200 Is the American Catholic Right Like ISIS?Does the American religious right hold a theopolitical outlook similar to that of ISIS? That appears to be one of the insinuations of a recent article published by the Italian Jesuit fortnightly publication La Civiltà Cattolica.

The unexpected attack is causing perplexity and concern to many American Catholics who have fought hard in the trenches of the Culture War with other religious allies. They find it hard to understand why they were the target of a broadside when all they did was hold fast to Catholic social teachings.

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It is hard not to be offended. The article titled “Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism in the USA: A Surprising Ecumenism” denounces an “ecumenism of hate” between Catholics and evangelicals. Also disconcerting are the highly-placed authors. This strident manifesto is the work of Civiltà’s editor Father Antonio Spadaro, SJ and Presbyterian pastor Marcelo Figueroa, editor of L’Osservatore Romano’s Argentinean edition.

The article is surprising for its superficiality and disconnection with the American reality. Its obsession to weave a complex web of hidden connections, influences and characters is more suited to a Da Vinci Code storyline than a scholarly analysis. The jumbled narrative would be explicable (and ignored) if it had appeared in the Huffington Post or similar outlet. However, Civiltà’s history is that of a serious journal that merits attention.

A Misreading of the American Religious Scene

Perhaps the principal defect of the article is its misreading of the American religious scene. Anyone vaguely familiar with religion in America knows that it has long been based on consensus.

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Unlike the Europeans who separated politics and religion, the American approach to religion has been pragmatic. It welcomes religions with open arms—as long as they agree to help everyone get along and favor prosperity. Thus, government in America has an unwritten consensus that establishes what many have called a “civil religion.” It consists of a set of working rules in which certain things against God are prohibited. Although legally separate, the State maintains a reverence for a vague Judeo-Christian God in whom it trusts yet leaves undefined.

Religion acts to guarantee good order through a consensual Christian moral code loosely based on the Ten Commandments, which (at least until recently) was adopted by the State, embedded in its laws, and engraved on public buildings. Ideally, this model holds that everyone should have some kind of religion, preferably Biblical, so as to favor prosperity and general well-being.

Dogmatizing a Vague Consensus

Thus, the religious scene in America has always been deliberately left vague and undefined. As the late Sen. Eugene McCarthy once said, there are only two kinds of religion permitted in America: Strong beliefs vaguely expressed, or vague beliefs strongly expressed, all tip-toeing inside the confines of this consensus.

The two authors abolish this consensus, forcing dogmatic definitions on these vague attitudes. They see a confused mixture of religious currents, systems and beliefs and turn them into “a problematic fusion between religion and state, faith and politics, religious values and economy.” They take the friendly links that have always existed between government and religion in America and irksomely label them “theocratic.” They take the affirming of a vague moral code and turn it into “Manichaean language that divides reality between absolute Good and absolute Evil.” They twist a desire to foster a moral climate that favors private and general prosperity into a Weberian “Prosperity Gospel.” They berate any acceptance of man’s dominant role in history and creation as “dominionism.”

None of this properly describes the American reality. However, through exaggeration, caricaturing and guilt by association, the two authors attack this American consensus because it hinders the advance of more progressive thought. Their tirade makes no effort to disguise a narrative taken from today’s angry left that laments its declining fortunes.

Questioning the Consensus

However, merely criticizing the old American consensus was not the aim of the two authors. Something is happening in America that upsets them greatly, and this irritation permeates the article’s twisted logic and strong emotional overtones.

The three new developments in America are that (a) many American evangelicals and Catholics are being increasingly “mugged by reality,” aghast at the radicalization of liberals of all stripes, including, sadly, progressives in the Catholic Church; (b) the left’s radicalization is making the American consensus collapse; and (c) this is leading many in the religious right to question this vague consensus itself. These two authors find all this very troubling. It seems they expected the religious right to just go along with all the changes, like the caboose on their train chugging toward a new world (dis)order.

Why are these religious conservatives questioning the consensus? Because they realize that while it provided a template for a more prosperous society, it also created a materialistic world that neglected spiritual needs. It represented a compartmentalized world of extreme individualism. This consensus was the flawed product of the Enlightenment that is full of internal contradictions, faulty logic and uncertainties. Under pressure from the radicalizing left, the shoddy foundations of the consensus are crumbling.

Indeed, society is breaking down, and this consensus is no longer providing solutions but anxiety. As it stands now, this consensus is serving as a leaky old umbrella under which Americans of all persuasions search for new solutions.

A Hollow Rallying Cry

The religious left at the root of the consensus crisis is doubling down and looking farther left. It seeks to revitalize tired and wasted notions of social justice. As mentioned by the authors, theirs is a world of “inclusion, peace, encounter and bridges.” Ironically it is the well-known regime of dogmatic progressivism that walls off those whose love for Truth makes them question the need for bridges to nowhere. It deplores those who it labels deplorable. It does not tolerate those whom it labels intolerable. Indeed, this progressive dictatorship demonizes those whom it dismisses as “integralists.”

The article of the two authors is as much a vindication of the left as it is a condemnation of the right. It is a hollow rallying cry to the worn-out and discredited political and religious left worldwide urging them to “keep the faith” in the face of the demons on the American right.

A Grand Plot Exposed

To bolster their flagging followers, the authors denounce the American right’s supposed origins as “Christian-Evangelical fundamentalist principles dating from the beginning of the 20th Century that have been gradually radicalized.”

They expose a grand “fundamentalist theopolitical plan.” They believe that the ecumenical union of Catholics and fundamentalists aims to set up a “theocratic,” “eschatological,” and “apocalyptic” Christian kingdom on earth. This resembles the “the theopolitics spread by ISIS [that] is based on the same cult of an apocalypse.” Eventually, the article shipwrecks as the Dan Brown Da Vinci-esque plot thickens with the authors weaving a web of philosophies and conspirators that even include Norman Vincent Peale—who presided over President Trump’s first marriage.

The problem with these musings is that they are as tired and ragged as the rest of the religious left’s empty rhetoric.

Beyond the Enlightenment

What most likely frightens the two authors is the fact that the American Catholic right is not looking rightward as much as upward. They are abandoning Enlightenment premises that those who came before them had shared with the left. They are discovering treasures long forgotten. More disconcerting to the religious left is that these treasures are attracting many evangelicals.

In their search for solutions, these American Catholics and evangelicals are finding and loving, for example, the natural moral law, that serves as a firm foundation for morality and civil society. The reliance on natural law is revitalizing the debate around what the two authors call issues “generally considered moral or tied to values.”

The search for solutions is also leading countless scholars to Thomism. The crystalline logic of Saint Thomas Aquinas is a refreshing contrast to the stagnant uncertainties of postmodernity. It elevates the debate far above that of the two authors.

Notions of Christendom

More interesting is that notions of Christendom are capturing the imagination of many of those searching. Such a vision of society rejects the theocratic caricatures of the two authors. Instead, many are recognizing the Church’s hallowing influence upon the structures of society, culture and economy. Indeed, many Americans are talking of “options,” some misdirected, others not, that include this hallowing influence of the Church. Above all, it is a view that insists upon the true role of the Church in society in promoting the worship and glory of God and in teaching the moral law and truths of the Faith that are necessary for the salvation of souls.

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This balanced notion of a respectful cooperation of Church and State is leading to renewed interest in the social encyclicals of Leo XIII. In his Immortale Dei, the pope stated “There was a time when the philosophy of the Gospel governed the states. In that epoch, the influence of Christian wisdom and its divine virtue permeated the laws, institutions, and customs of the peoples, all categories and all relations of civil society.”

Such a vision is far from the vapid fantasies of the two authors. Rather it is part of those Church teachings that are ever ancient, ever new. It is part of Her universal message that is both supranational and supernatural, uniting human and divine. This vision represents a universal message and mission applicable for all times and places.

These new perspectives do not fit within the old dialectic framed by the article of the two authors. More importantly however they do have the capacity to revitalize the debate.

The Fatima Option

Finally, those who are searching, especially Catholics, are finding Fatima—the message for these times. This is the centennial year marking the apparitions of Our Lady at Fatima in 1917.

The Fatima record is impressive. As far as the past is concerned, everything Our Lady predicted would happen has indeed happened. All that she foresaw for the present times—indifference, blasphemy and the lack of faith—is only too evident. She also told of a future which included the triumph of her Immaculate Heart.

Catholics (and even some curious evangelicals) are finding Fatima to be a key to interpreting what is happening in the world and forming perspectives for the future. Our Lady’s simple message and solutions, long approved by the Church, certainly make more sense than the Civiltà Cattolica’s confusion on “Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism.”

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  • Brian Tideman

    Do the predictions of Fatima agree or bear any relationship with the accepted Biblical writings when interpreting what is happening in our world? Surely an increase in persecution of Christians is as prophesised in Matthew 24 and other places. Surely there will never be an earthly/global solution to economic crises. I agree, however, that Christians must speak up for Godly moral values or love and respect while accepting the inevitable persecution that will follow.

    • Rosech Levy

      Just a comment how the news media is out there condemning Bible studies in the WH because they know that will strengthen all Christians’ resolve to overcome their nastiness and desire to own us.

    • Anonymous Catholic

      To answer your question, yes. All the Church approved prophecies of the saints about these times seem to indicate we are now in the minor Chastisement.

  • FrRichard Davidson Fsgg

    Anyone who believes that American Christians are like ISIS, Is either stupid or evil. American Christians, for all their shortcomings, seek to love and follow the Lord and to love and serve their fellow man.
    The Rev. Fr. Richard F. Davidson,
    Franciscan Servants of God’s Grace

    • mjg

      Thank you Fr. Davidson, we need more Priests who are prepared to speak up. Christians do NOT need something like this with everything that is happening in the world and only gives power to those who try to destroy Christianity. This Jesuit is irresponsible and unknowledgeable. This should not be allowed to go any further without serious backlash against this Priest. He should make a serious apology.

    • Tobi

      I agree with you and I thank you, Fr. Davidson. If Americans want to know who is really behind ISIS (and who created it), they better read this interview with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

      Why the Arabs don’t want us in Syria (They don’t hate ‘our freedoms.’ They hate that we’ve betrayed our ideals in their own countries — for oil). By ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR 2/23/16, Updated 9/16/16.

      • Thomas L. Stafford

        We have in some cases “betrayed our ideals in their countries”. War is hell and things occur during and around it that are not what we think is right. But, it is extremely vapid to discount the hatred that the Moslem world has for most of everywhere else. They hated Europe when it recovered enough from the plague that already run its course in the lands controlled by the Moors to stand up and push them back into their original lands. The process did not end until after WW1. They also despise us for our support of Israel. The country that the world seems to blame for the deplorable conditions in most of the Moslem world. It is nonsense for this canard to continue. The United States has poured funding into Palestine that should have built schools, housing, and other infrastructure. But no, it built tunnels into Israel that were used to attack civilians in their beds, paid rewards to families of suicide bombers and other people who murdered Israelis and others in Israel including other Moslems that were living in peace with their Israeli countrymen. Robert F. Kennedy is just as worthless as his uncle Theodore.

    • RapistAndFalse ProphetMuhammed

      all who support islam support Satan Allah

  • Christopher Murano

    I would be willing to bet that this Jesuit knows nothing about the USA and had not visited at all. There is great store placed on the proclamations of any Jesuit, but we must remember that being a Jesuit provides no guarantee of theological correctness. Jesuits can be wrong, as this one is so obviously wrong. We must continue to protect our Christian rights, which are being slowly whittled away and if “One Nation Under God” makes me racist, so be it.

    • celtic cross

      Actually, I place little store in proclamations by Jesuits.

  • MIKE6080

    The Jesuits are radicals , the US supports the church finacially more than the rest of the world combined. I wonder if they would continue to make the same statements if the money from here stopped .

    • David Wexler

      Personally, despite the apparent stupidity displayed in the article, I still think that the Jesuits are a
      gift from God, and they are radical, just as Christianity is radical. So I prefer Fr Davidson’s option of stupidity rather than being evil for anyone who believes that Christians are like ISIS. This brings to attention one of Pope John Paul II’s quotes, “Stupidity is also a gift from God, but one mustn’t misuse it”.

      David Wexler

      • Rosech Levy

        David, thank you. I had Jesuit teachers in my first and Catholic University and they are learned. Nevertheless in every organization there is always one or more filled with hatred of God and freedom and rights, and those are the Jesuits we know existed and exist. God will take care of their punishment but they should be aware as well that in today’s world they are putting their lives in danger because so many radicals around all over the planet. What a mad, mad, mad world and in the true sense of anger and not craziness altho in many cases it is both.

    • dennodog

      For decades I was under the impression that Jesuits were on their own, had no structural formation (Monsignor, Bishop, etc), and were represented in Rome by a priest that was known as “The Black Pope”. I don’t know if this is an “old wives tale” because if it is true, how did Pope Francis make it to The College of Cardinals? Can anybody enlighten me on this subject?

      • FrancescaPadovese

        Check out this link

        • dennodog

          Thank you. I will.

        • dennodog

          Again. Thanks for the link, however, I couldn’t find any info re. the structure and ranking of Jesuits within their Society. My last experience with the S.J. was back in college in 1966 so I’m sure that many things have changed, but even the information received in the link does not seem to explain if there are Cardinals and Bishops in the order.

  • Patricia Ford


    Jesus has said that this is the last time he is sending His mother to earth with messages. That makes me feel that I must work harder to evangelize my family and friends.

    • IreIrene Kharono

      My society has an old saying..’an error with one cow should never be generalized

      to describe the entire kraal” Some clarity sought on whether the piece represents Jesuits’ views or are these views of an individual?

  • John Steinauer

    All of the old customs have a place, as does veneration of Mary (Fatima or otherwise). The effort to rebuild a consensus within the Church as well as within all laity needs to be careful not to establish a religion that forgets that Jesus began a new covenant on the cross where he called all people to him. All people include all sinners, so a community so bound by rules that no human being could possibly comply is not his way. He condemned this approach that was the way of the Jewish polity in his time.

    Out of obedience to his Father, Jesus was willing to give His life so all men could come to God through him. He died for sinners, not saints. We need to be clear about morality for sure, but invite the sinner into God’s presence, so that His grace can convert sin into blessings. Of course every form of evil needs to be first identified, then articulated according to biblical study, and resisted. But to be clear, It is not our place to erect barriers to salvation, or become a Church so enamored by rules that we forget to Love. There is a place illuminated by the holy spirit somewhere between these two perspectives that makes sense for both.

    Jesuits are not radicals, anymore than St. Peter was a radical. I suppose from a Greek or Roman perspective he was for sure, but I doubt God perceived him as such. Lets be careful not to go to far with the mud slinging, if in fact consensus is what you are seeking.

    • The only rules we should be “enamored” of are those God has given us. The danger in today’s world is NOT a Church that is too attached to its own rules, but a Church that thinks it can dispense with God’s rules whenever doing so can buy it some popularity.

      • John Steinauer

        I agree completely that we can not get rid of or even water down the rules, what we can not do is judge others so harshly as to prevent them from seeking God’s grace, and through him gain redemption. No church that portends to be Christian should even think to change God’s rules. The rub is that once we know a rule has been broken by someone, we are so inclined to judge that we erect barriers to God’s purposes with their life and salvation. All sin in a barrier to God’s grace, but none so powerful that God can not breath life into them once again though his endless mercy. Who am I to say my sins are less serious then those held by someone else. A loving Church articulates clear morality but understands we all fail and illustrates a path we can follow to redemption – for all mankind – not just a few that suppose they are more righteous than others.

        The battle is with Satan not the Church, not the Jesuits, nor one another. We need to take back the language of our Constitution, our Pledge, our heritage and tear apart the ideology of relativism. The difference is we attack evil but love all people, and give all access to God through His Church.

  • toddyo1935

    My late friend and mentor – because he was my wife’s first Theology professor at Marquette, Bishop John R. Sheets, SJ was ordained by Pope John Paul II and sent to Notre Dame to confront theologians just like this confused priest. The saintly Father John was a great influence on me, my children and an exemplary Jesuit. Leftists always get more press to expose their buffoonery.

  • flaphil

    This is why religion is failing people who live life everyday…not hide from it like many priests. Religion might be dying, but faith in the Lord is keeping pace with the past. Too many flawed pretenders of Christ’s teaching is the reason. Prophesy warns of Satan’s intent of influencing the Church…maybe that time is now. Clearly we live in a world of “change”, the perfect agenda for him to wrest control.
    I for one have all my faith in God, while it’s diminishing with the Kremlin of Italy, known as today’s Vatican.
    Christ did not leave exceptions to His teachings, like the Pope and his minions are spouting the past few years. Who…. or could it be what is in charge of the Church anyway?

    • Donald Hennen

      Jesus left us a church, and even then, the Church was troubled. Judas Iscariot did not drive believers from the Church, and neither should today’s Judas Iscariots. The people who are leaving formal religion are ultimately leaving a treasure behind, even if it’s often hard to see through the clutter created by heretics and reprobates.

  • Trueteller

    Excellent answer Mr Horvat!

  • HCUA

    Jesuits should go back into the caves that they came from, and close the doors.

  • Rosech Levy

    Can we simply say even our Church has been invaded by communists starting with Francis. Nevertheless, the Church has hateful nasty criminal popes and priests before and yet 2000 years later God’s Church is still alive and we will survive which ousting these supposed “catholics” trying to bring down our Church. They are just like the 2 parties in 1, Soros and family, the 3 Clintons, and Obama and other evil elite globalists trying to do the same. We have a battle going on now and for a while, but we will WIN and they will be no longer any part of our Church or overthrowing our Republic. We the People are angry and we will take back our Republic of America as well as our Catholic Church as will many other Christian churches. We are seeing so many mentally disturbed soulless creatures trying their best to overthrow our planet and enslave us but it ain’t gonna happen as has been tried before and failed. ISIS is on its way out but we still have to contend with along with these hatefilled creatures!

  • Ted

    That piece in that Italian Church journal doesn´t faze me in the least. You´ve got to consider the source. We have lots and lots of libtards in the Catholic Church in the teaching clergy, I´m sorry to say. May God forgive them.

    • Brian Tideman

      I am not a Catholic, but it is plainly obvious in this internet connected world, that there is a global push every where including most, if not all churches, to disregard the traditional word of God and ultimately God himself. I am constantly amazed how the media constantly relays every criticism of the Judeo-Christian world view and tries to make the wrong sound right and to condemn vocal and active Christians in the process. All Christians are duty bound to keep honouring God by what we say and what we lovingly do.

  • purple

    I’m a little confused by the article and the response. The article I read specifically pointed to Steve Bannon’s apocalyptic views (I didn’t see this aspect of it addressed in the response). I don’t agree with the extreme left, but the more I read about Bannon, the more disturbing I find his views. Mind you, I have only read articles about the article, but if the criticism is on that aspect of it, I would agree with that criticism specifically (in what I hope is a small subset of Christians). I truly find Bannon’s views disturbing.

    • Thomas L. Stafford

      Reading what the media says of Bannon to try to understand him is a mistake. The American media has been a communist/progressive/statist/socialist reserve for a long time. That is the only way progroms like the New Deal, Great Society, and finally 0bama care would not have become law.

  • Romanorum

    Incredible! A jesuit, that in the past was the soldiers of the catholicism athacking the religion that he should defend… In a word, he is a traitor!

  • Roxanne

    This Jesuit sounds like he is of the “globalist/occult”! He can kindly keep his ignorant, “globalist”, opinions, to himself!

  • Adam Person

    It’s good to see that the Jesuits still allow their lunatics to publish nonsensical tripe. OK Antonio, take the pill the doctor gave you and go away now, You can play with the typewriter again tomorrow. Where do these people get their ideas from ??????? Only God knows !

    • Jim

      Karl Marx??

  • Daniel Meegan

    ignorance the fool and his folly proverb is what our jesuit brother is classic example his mere implication without investigation is evident perhaps his moods dominate his thinking

  • Dale McNamee

    The Jesuits are more like ISIS than the “Catholic right” aka “Traditionalists”…

  • TJH

    The smoke of Satan still wafts throughout the highest levels of the Vatican bureaucracy. The authors’ cluelessness reflects a twisted perspective on Catholicism in the U.S.

  • Pauline Ryder

    What I love about reading these comments is that without exception,each commentary holds lovingly to the true concept that Our Lord and God is with us and won’t go away.It gives me joy that the responses to all of this are not a”fighting back” conflict,but a strong will of faith in what I find coming to my heart as “Our loving God” is seeing with loving eyes and knows very well where all of this is going,what the world of man has always done,play the “my way,my want” going no where .Those Adams and Eves allowing their weaknesses bring them sideways and off track..No change to what it’s always been..


    Pffftt…. There are always going to be “elitists” who criticize SOMEONE. They forget the advice, “Pride goeth before the fall”. Catholicism of the United States is THE most charitable group of all…WORLDWIDE. We hold that Jesus was SERIOUS when He told us to share what we have with those in need. But we didn’t take a running start and JUMP off the turnip wagon! We take care of our families first. Then our neighbor, etc. We’ll ALWAYS have the Al Gore, advising us we’re killing the world by driving. And the Jesuit and Episcopal telling us we’re killing the nomadic Arab by not chasing him down and forcing him to eat our proffered chocolate bar. So, American Catholics, do your best, but stop wringing your hands. Life is given to us to serve God to the best, but also to ENJOY! God Bless America! God Bless President Trump!

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  • Mimi

    St. Ignatius of Loyola – please help with these guys!! Most Jesuits appear to have fallen off the cliff. WHY? Including the Pope.

  • Milt03

    One of my foibles is never trust a Jesuit. This comes from my reading of Church history.
    I think they are intellectual idiots, or arrogant fools. I know not all of them are this way but enough of them are to justify my opinion.

  • Don Mcdonaugh

    I had a Dominican Priest in an ethics class who would intone frequently”That some day Jesuits would become Christians” .Fr.SPADARO is a fool.I disagree with you Chris I feel you give Jesuits way to much credit for being learned.Remember these are the same people that covered all the religious symbols at Georgetown so as to not offend our Muslim President,obama

  • John Thomas

    More people were murdered or killed by Jesuits in the name of religion than any other religion .So I feel it would be safe to say Jesuit’s run a pretty close race with ISIS !

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  • Ed of Ct.

    I guess Sparando is far more comfortable with Homosexual, trans gender, taxpayers funded abortions, contraception and Euthanasia promotion gov. In West Europe and Canada etc …….. Those gov. There and possibly in Ireland have or will shut down Catholic schools and hospitals. The RC faith there in those countries uk. low countries, Canada,Swiss Germany and Austria the RC church has nearly disintegrated.

  • mjg

    The Vatican and Priests throughout the world should be APPLAUDING the US for President Trump. He is truly making America great again by bringing back faith and the values this country was built on. He is fighting against the devil and the evils of abortion and is proving to be a man of faith, conviction and courage. BRAVO US for the role model being made for the world to see. And the world will follow.

  • Chris Lilly

    This sounds like the politicizing of the American Catholic Church and faith into a left versus right division. A tactic routinely used by activists and radicals. There is no middle and the right is denounced and demonized as fascist and reactionary. An example from history would be the Spanish Civil War. It appears the Vatican has been taken over by liberation theology which aligns with the political left in it’s goals and values. Those who are moderate or traditional are viewed as enemies to be attacked and marginalized. The American Catholic Church is now experiencing politicization of the most extreme sort which is not in line with the true spirit of Christian Charity.

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  • Madonna

    It’s obvious that considering the fact of where this Jesuit priest is from that this is an attack more on Pope Francis then on anyone else. The article that he wrote should not be allowed in a Catholic magazine, but it appears that this Jesuit priest is succeeding in what he was attempting. To rile Catholics, to have them show disrespect for any priest, to question the authority of our Jesuit Holy Father, to rationalize disobedience to the Pope, and to show other religions that we can call people ugly names just as well as any atheist can. The magazine should be held accountable for this article and so should the priest. We should be held accountable for our response to the article. Come on fellow Christians and Catholics, we need to show them how it’s done. Jesus IS-IS love! Jesus is love and he loves all people even the ones in ISIS. We need to pray for their Salvation, and TRUST Jesus working through the authority of HIS church. We need to acknowledge that they are still Children of God. We can’t allow them to bring out the hate in us. Pray for the priest, pray for the magazine, pray for ISIS, report the magazine to the proper Catholic authorities if you feel the need to do more. Otherwise just dust it off and keep moving forward knowing that this priest (who deserves the same respect as any priest does), can’t rattle our peace just because he wrote a few articles that are trying to test our faith. “They will KNOW that we are Christians by our love.”

  • AlmostAlwaysRight1

    Well, consider: it is a after all a Jesuit. They live in a different world, one of their own making. The one the Lord made wasn’t good enough. Besides that, this one is pretty clueless about the U.S. I imagine.

  • Thomas L. Stafford

    The cited “QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS” (On Socialism) Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII is a good read. It is an eerie prediction of the rot that is occurring in the body politic. His prescience is amazing. We have so many more examples of just how awful these socialist/statist/communist utopias are today. The Church needs someone like him at the helm. The cancers that are Social Justice and Economic Justice need to be excised from the Church and the body politic. I disagree about agitation leading unjust leader to abdicate as being wrong. It may even require bloody revolt to right the ship.

  • Tom LeBon

    I have trouble with the Christian Right. They have a brand of theology that is geared toward a world that is not very Christian at all. They are not pro-life but really pro-birth (not an original idea) and this is difficult for me. Other Christian principles are frequently violated by this group. They use a pick scripture method as do many others and completely ignore the Christian tradition on which the faith is based. Forgetting that we are all brothers is just not acceptable and living “as if” these are end times goes against the beginnings and lessons that we have learned. We need to help and we need to love to follow Jesus.

    Educated at St. Joseph’s and Georgetown University

  • monkbiker

    I believe that Catholics, Protestants and Jews need to be standing shoulder-to-shoulder rather than toe-to-toe. There is more that unites us than divides us. In today’s world we see Christians and Jews being marginalized, oppressed, attacked, enslaved, tortured and butchered by Muslims and atheists and secular humanists.

    I would hope that we can stand together and look outward towards those who seek to do us harm. We need to help support and defend each other.

    • Jim