Why Catholics Cannot be Silent about Scorsese’s ‘Silence’

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“But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven” (Matt: 10:33)

In the history of the Church, many martyrs died for the Faith. Starting with Saint Stephen the Protomartyr shortly after the Resurrection, they were the first to be remembered, venerated for their public witness and raised to the altars with the title of saint. There are also those who denied the Faith under pressure. They are forgotten and buried in the dark recesses of history.

The modern world has a problem with martyrs. People cannot understand the glory of their witness for Christ. Modern man would rather try to find some justification behind the anguished decision of those who deny the faith.

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Such is the case of Martin Scorsese’s latest film “Silence.” It is a tale about this second category of non-martyrsof whom Our Lord said: “But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven” (Matt: 10:33)

Curiously, early reviews of “Silence,” have been negative—even by liberal media hostile to the Church. The consensus is that Scorsese’s attempt to propose for general admiration one who outwardly denied the Faith has fallen flat.

Perhaps it is because human nature finds such denials distasteful. Even the director’s talents, Hollywood special effects and media publicity cannot overcome it. Scorsese’s tortuous attempt to justify his tormented protagonist proves tedious and unconvincing.

Hollywood’s Teaching Authority

“Silence” is based on a 1966 novel of the same name by the Japanese author Shusaku Endo. The plot revolves around the fictional character of a Portuguese Jesuit priest in seventeenth century Japan at the time of a violent anti-Catholic persecution. The film represents a “struggle of faith” in which the priest must choose between the lives of his flock and his Faith. In the face of his trials, he finds God is silent to his entreaties, hence the film’s title. Finally, Christ Himself supposedly breaks the silence by interiorly telling the priest that he might outwardly deny the Faith by trampling upon His image to save his flock.

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Such a shallow story so contrary to all Church teaching would usually pose no threat to Catholics who are firm in their Faith. However, Hollywood has tragically assumed the role of a teaching authority to countless American Catholics. Thus, the principal lesson taught by the film—that outwardly denying the Faith can sometimes be justified and even desired by God—does pose a danger to the many uncatechized that might mistake Hollywood script for Scriptures. Any silence about “Silence” might be misconstrued as consent.

It is not the case to review the film or explore its convoluted plot and subplots. Such films are nothing new; they are simply means to reinforce certain false premises that undermine the Faith. It is far better to address the false premises themselves and, especially as it applies to modernity’s woeful misunderstanding of martyrdom.

Martyrdom Is Defeat

The first false premise is the modern assumption that life is the supreme value. This is a terrible premise since if there are no values worthy dying for then there is no real reason worth living for. In a materialistic world that adores life and its enjoyment, martyrdom represents failure. Those who renounce the Faith and martyrdom are winners. Those who don’t are losers.

The message of fictional accounts like “Silence,” is that life is to be worshipped to such extent that even God must be made complicit in inspiring the apostasy that saves the lives of the faithful. However, such accounts are indeed fiction; they ignore the historical reality of what happened.

The Historical Record

The historic record of the Japanese martyrs is one of the most glorious in Church history. It is a burning rebuke of modernity’s idolization of life. Tens of thousands suffered or died at the hands of cruel executioners. If tales are needed to inspire authors, let writers tell of the courage, heroism and constancy of these Japanese martyrs, young and old, male and female, religious and secular, who joyfully gave their lives for Christ and earned for themselves the crown of eternal glory. If villains need be found for their stories, let them find them in the cruel governors and judges who condemned the Christians to death.

In 1776, Saint Alphonsus de Ligouri wrote the book, Victories of the Martyrs, which has one large section that tells incredible stories of the Japanese martyrs. He speaks of a Japanese Christian named Ursula, for example, who upon seeing her husband and two young children martyred, cried out: “Be Thou praised, O My God! For having rendered me worthy to be present at this sacrifice, now grant me the grace to have a share in their crown!” She and her youngest daughter were then beheaded.

Indeed, any priest who would save the lives of his flock by renouncing his Faith would be reviled by the Japanese faithful for both his denial and depriving the flock of the crown of martyrdom.

If there is any silence in Scorcese’s “Silence,” it is that silence which ignores the dauntless courage and supernatural joy found in the Japanese martyrs and missionaries whose witness was so superior that their enemies were defeated by their arguments and resorted to killing them. Their martyrdom was their victory, not their defeat.

Acts Have No Meaning

A second premise is that outward acts have no meaning. Acts mean whatever the person determines them to be. Such a premise is typical of postmodern thought that would “deconstruct” acts from their natural meaning and context.

Thus, any benefit or inspiration can justify an act that signifies the denial of the Faith, since acts have no fixed meaning. Indeed, the theme of the film shrouds the outward denial with the good intentions of the protagonist’s concern for the safety of his flock.

Again, this shows a profound misunderstanding of the idea of martyrdom. The word martyr itself means witness—an external manifestation of Faith to others. The postmodern interpretation of the martyr’s dilemmas questions the notion that there can be witnesses that are so firmly convinced of the truths of the Catholic religion that they gladly suffer death rather than deny it. The “meta-narrative” of the great deeds of the martyrs is no longer valued. Even the idea of truth is relative. All must be reduced to the level of personal experience.

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“There are also those who denied the Faith under pressure. They are forgotten and buried in the dark recesses of history.”

Again, such an interpretation runs contrary to the historical reality that was centered on the notion of objective truth. Those who persecute the Church hate this truth and the moral law taught by Christ and His Church. They especially hate the public witness given by Christians because this witness denounces them for their sins and wickedness. All they asked of their victims was an outward sign of denial. For this reason, persecutors often preferred to force Christians to deny the Faith than to take their lives.

Historically, that is why those who persecute the Church are always willing to offer honors, offices and benefits to those who renounce the faith. They will always give Christians an excuse to stop being witnesses. This includes those “good intentions” to diminish the sufferings of family, relatives and fellow Christians. However, this is only a pretext. Indeed, what they want to destroy is the witness that haunts them and calls them to virtue. They want renegade Christians to make their denial public to discourage the witness of others.

Thankfully, their efforts are often frustrated by the constancy of faithful Christians that moves others to conversion. They do not understand Tertullian’s encomium that “the blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church,” (Apologeticus, Ch. 50).

The God of Silence
The final false premise comes from a naturalistic understanding of the world in which people do not grasp how God works in souls. The secular world assumes God’s natural position is one of silence. When secular writers are forced to imagine the action of God upon their characters, they portray it as a purely personal matter based on feelings and emotions inconsistent and outside the logic of divine law.

This is perhaps the greatest misunderstanding of the Faith. Modern authors create their own god of silence and believers outside of the life of grace.

Such a combination leads to absurd characterizations like that of “Silence.” Martyrdom cannot be based on emotion or feeling since it involves surrendering man’s greatest natural gift—life. This is something so difficult that it is beyond human strength to achieve. Martyrdom must entail grace, which enlightens the intellect and strengthens the will to allow Christians to do that which is beyond human nature. God’s grace would never allow a person to deny Christ before men.

Martyrdom—The Fruit of Grace

That is why Saint Alphonsus states that it is a matter of Faith that, “Martyrs are indebted for their crown to the power of the grace which they received from Jesus Christ; for he it is that gave them the strength to despise all the promises and all the threats of tyrants and to endure all the torments till they had made an entire sacrifice of their lives.”

Saint Augustine further states that the merits of the martyrs lie in being the effects of God’s grace and their cooperation with grace.

In other words, God cannot be silent in the face of martyrdom as Scorcese’s “Silence” film affirms. His justice will not allow a person to be tempted beyond the capacity to resist. He is intimately involved in those facing martyrdom. He gives them grace—a created participation in divine life itself. Facing martyrdom without grace is impossible. While God may allow for trials, He is never silent.

Catholics Cannot Remain Silent

And that is why faithful Catholics cannot remain silent in the face of Scorcese’s “Silence.” Scorcese’s film is a tragic denial of God’s grace in a world in dire need of it. In these days when Catholics are being martyred, Catholics need to know that God is never silent. They will never be put in a situation where God betrays Himself. He will always be there when needed.

The secular worldview is so narrow-minded and asphyxiating, but alas so prevalent. Today’s obsession with self permeates the culture to the exclusion of God. It is little wonder that so many would think there is “silence” on the other side of martyrdom. It is largely because they find emptiness in their own lives. They cannot imagine the action of God and His grace.

Amid the frenetic intemperance of the times, the agitated crowds ironically do not seek out God where He is always found—in the silence of their own souls.

 

  • JMJ

    Thanks for your review – CNA doesn’t mention what the film is about though it premiered at the Vatican & Scorsese and his family got an audience w/Pope Francis:

    “A preview of “Silence” was shown Nov. 29 at the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome, and another preview is set to take place Dec. 1 inside the Vatican’s filmoteca.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-meets-martin-scorsese-director-of-silence-at-vatican-82277/

    “Martin Scorsese is rolling out his new film Silence to a select audience of some 400 clerics and their guests when it premieres in the Vatican Tuesday. …forced to witness the horrific torture of Japanese Christian converts, Father Rodrigues eventually yields and steps on the fumie, after supposedly hearing the voice of Christ telling him, “Trample! Trample!” In the book, after trampling on the fumie, Rodrigues lives on for another thirty years under house arrest, during which time he turns government informant and agrees to write a disavowal of Christianity, all the while continuing to believe he is a Christian in his heart. Critics have accused the controversial novel of espousing a “sinister theology” that would divide a person’s external actions from internal convictions and beliefs, reducing Christianity to an interior understanding with God rather than a public witness.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/11/29/vatican-hosts-world-premiere-martin-scorsese-silence/

    • Rita

      I just finished the book but have not seen the film. I was sad about the theme of apostasy but there were many levels of faith portrayed in this complex book. I think it showed that we can reject our faith and Jesus in large and small ways. A lot of discussion in book about Judas and his role as apostle and betrayer. Anyone without good catechesis could be very confused

  • dbondinkc

    If it showed a conflict of the priest’s conscience, and a great sense of guilt and if he didn’t write against the true Church, but used this time in house arrest to show him suffering and being mortified by his decision to trample on the image of Our Lord, finally ending his earthly existence being martyred and redeemed, there would be a great message of moral redemption and final courage and faith-then this film would have spiritual worth and a catechism. As it stands, it is nothing more than anti-faith rubbish which under minds all of suffering and martyrdom.

    • Marie Halligan

      And it rubbishes the bravery and grace of the Japanese martyrs as well,doesn’t it? Rubbishes all the martyrs in fact,including the Christians who are being murdered for their faith all over the world in this day and age,such as the ones in Syria and Iraq being slaughtered by ISIS. Thankfully,they are all in Heaven and the insult won’t affect them; they will only be concerned for us in this world, that this constant propaganda doesn’t undermine our faith.

  • albertojvelarde

    Strange thing since a jesuit priest was an advisor on the movie.

    • sixlittlerabbits

      The Jesuits are not what they once were. Look at Pope Francis for the most prominent example of how so many Jesuits betray the faith. (I know one Jesuit who is loyal to the faith. Coincidentally, he is fluent in Japanese and spent many years there.)

      • albertojvelarde

        Haven’t seen the movie but I will and get my own conclussion. I think Pope Francis is getting the Church outside oscurity and bringing faith to the masses in the most simple way. Some people like it and some does not. But that’s another subject. I’ve read very good reviews among some catholic groups on this movie, that’s why it’s strange and the only way is to go and see the movie with critical eyes.

        • sixlittlerabbits

          I disagree that the Church is in “obscurity.” As for Francis
          “bringing faith to the masses in the most simple way,” the “faith” he is
          bringing is not the Catholic faith.

          The Catholic faith seems to be sorely lacking in Francis’s view and in need of correction. And why not start with the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ on divorce? Jesus was criticized for dining with prostitutes and money changers; Francis presents them as models as he attempts to rework and alter Catholic teaching. He will never answer the Dubia of the four Cardinals because his answer would have to conform to the Catholic doctrines that he is trying so hard to change.

          Yes, go and see the movie. I choose not to contribute to the earnings of Scorsese.

          • albertojvelarde

            For many out there the Church was and still is on the “dark ages” I am not saying these thoughts are correct but we cannot deny it´s a common denominator.
            Believe me, I think Pope Francis with his approach on “not to judge the homosexuals” or inviting the divorcees to the Church is a better “Christ like position” than the “ban on divorcees and homosexuals” or the complains about Vatican II, perhaps some people think the mass in Latin was a better approach to the real solemnity of the Mass but it was also conceived as too over the top.
            I will see the movie because one cannot criticize without seeing. Most likely I will go to a free screening. Because you cannot judge without knowing.

          • sixlittlerabbits

            Saint John Paul II in “Familiaris Consortio” expressed sympathy for the difficulties of divorced persons who had remarried without an annulment. He encouraged them to come to church but pointed out they should not go to Communion.

            Pope Francis goes beyond “not judging homosexuals” and in practice endorses the choices of transgenders and those practicing and promoting homosexuality, both clerical and lay persons. Homosexuals who wish to lead a chaste life can get help from Courage and a group called the Sons of St. Joseph. I have yet to witness the Pope mentioning or endorsing these groups.

            If you can see the movie free, that’s an incentive to attend. John Horvat’s statement that “Scorsese’s tortuous attempt to justify his tormented protagonist proves tedious and unconvincing” is a valid judgment for me.

          • albertojvelarde

            I disagree…Pope Francis NEVER endorsed any homosexual activities or transgerderism. Thats a blatant lie. What he said was “he is nobody to judge an homosexual if he is a God fearing person”.
            Horvat is entitled to his opinion, I will go watch the movie and judge by myself.

          • sixlittlerabbits

            Temper, temper, Alberto. Francis does endorse the choices of homosexuals and transgenders “in practice.”

            An egregious example is Francis’ private meeting with the Spanish woman
            (now a transgender “man”) and her fiancee in early 2015. (See
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11371770/Transgender-man-invited-to-private-meeting-by-Pope-Francis.html)
            The transgender individual declared, “The meeting was a wonderful,
            intimate, unique experience that changed my life. Now I am in finally in peace.” The article’s author opines: “the unexpected overture marks an important gesture of acceptance of lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender Catholics.” Photos of the Pope meeting the couple appeared all over the media, despite the “private” nature of the meeting.

            Then the Pope put the icing on the cake when he talked about the “private” audience in an inflight interview. (See http://www.lastampa.it/2016/10/03/vaticaninsider/eng/the-vatican/this-is-how-i-as-pope-welcome-homosexual-people-and-transsexuals-xcDn46kAkYW2xSiTEM85OL/pagina.html).. Francis said:

            “Last year I received a letter from a Spanish male who was telling me
            about his story as a child and as a teen. It was a female child, a girl
            who had suffered a great deal. She felt like a boy but was physically a
            girl…. The girl had the surgery and he now works at a ministry in Spain…. The man later married, changed his civil identity and he – who was a she but is now a he – wrote to tell me he would take comfort in coming to see me. I received them.”

            According to biology and Catholic teaching, a woman cannot become a man–contrary to the Pope’s assertion–by mutilating her body via surgery and then taking sex hormones to maintain her delusion. The fiancee is actually leading a lesbian lifestyle through her “marriage” to this woman.

          • albertojvelarde

            He is only telling what the person said really. Not “endorsing” anything. I think people often misunderstood Pope Francis, for some Catholics he is too “liberal”. For liberals outside the Church he is too “conservative”.

            I’ve been Reading in the Church and hearing among other groups he is not even the real Pope…nonsense

    • Shebaq

      Not really strange that there were/are Catholic theological distortions w/Jesuit priest as advisor on movie. Sadly, many of the American ones went “off the reservation” a long time ago-1960’s-onward, and haven’t yet come back

  • Doug Metz

    Your concern over the failed courage of a priest is understandable but you ignore the valiant martyrdom of the many lay people.

  • Fatima

    Things happen this way because the Fatima Message has not been obeyed. The consecration of Russia has not been done. The chastisement and wars will keep on until this stupid generation wake up and obey God’s order. No other way around it.

    • Trueteller

      How Russia can be consecrated if ALL Russian leaders are EX KGB officers and Communist Party officials (who openly hate Catholics and Catholicism BTW) ?

      • Fatima

        The TRUE POPE must order all his bishops together with him in the same day at each own bishop’s Cathedral and do a public consecration together with the pope, to pray for Russia, consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as Heaven requested. Only by this mean, the Blessed Virgin Mary will seek graces from God for Russians and convert Russians back to the true Holy Catholic Faith. Remember, before 11th century, all Russia was a Holy Catholic nation. After 11th century, they split off the Catholic Church and become Schismatic and Heretic because some evil doctrines had been introduced to them through the work of the devils.

        You must know all the wicked evils after that and now the world is in a mess. Our Lady said “ONLY I CAN HELP YOU.” We must wake up and listen to Fatima Message. This year is exactly 100 years without consecration of Russia and if you added up how many wars and how many billions lives that we took because of our disobedient.

        FRANCIS IS A FALSE, A FAKE POPE. Benedict XVI wanted to do it but they kicked him out and keep him as house arrest. The Freemasons are in controlled right now. They had invaded and manipulated all top positions. Pray that someone will have graces to expose them and take back the church.

        • Cristhian Barajas

          There is no place for sedevacantism here or any of its ideas. Repent now before you excommunicate yourself latae sententiae. Orthodoxy and obedience must return to Christianity

          • Fatima

            DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ? GO BACK AND RE-READ WHAT I HAVE POSTED? You must be so stupid ignorant to not comprehend what I posted? I am not a Sedevacantist but a TRUE CATHOLIC, YOU IDIOT. LEARN HOW TO READ FIRST BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR STUPID MOUTH ATTACK OTHER. I AM STAND FIRM ON MY CATHOLIC FAITH AND I WILL DEFEND MY FAITH TO ETERNITY, YOU ARE A PSEUDO CATHOLIC, A COUNTERFEIT CATHOLIC OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER JUST LIKE FRANCIS. GET LOST SATAN.

          • Cristhian Barajas

            First it was your words, now your actions. Thanks for confirming me and everyone else here how much you don’t understand, at all, the way true Catholics behave.

            God bless you and Pope Francis.

          • Fatima

            You are too stupid to comprehend what I wrote. Plus, you are a heretic and follow a false pope: Francis. You are not a Catholic but a PSEUDO CATHOLIC. I AM A CATHOLIC, I AM ALWAYS IN THE CHURCH BUT NOT YOU, NOT FRANCIS. You people get so messed up in the minds and hearts because you people hate the truth. The truth is not in you, thus, you don’t understand the truth but twisted the truth for your father is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. The new mass and the new religion that Vatican II Satanic Council made for Luciferian sect. THE TRUE MASS AND THE TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS STILL FOREVER AND I AM IN IT. REPENT OR GET LOST SATAN, TAKE YOUR ANTI-CHRIST FRANCIS WITH YOU.

          • Cristhian Barajas

            Brothers and Sisters, say no to Sedevacantism; there is enough confusion in the Church and outside of it already. We have the promise that the office of Cephas will be preserved by the Holy Spirit against deceptions and threats at all cost.

            The work of Satan will not overthrow it: “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.” (Mt 18:18). The rock is unmovable, un-shifting. Do not let Sedevacantist heretics poison your views on the Papacy. Just as Melchizedek confirmed Abraham in his faith, Christ confirmed Peter in his, —forever—.

            As for you, Fatima, “warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.” (Titus 3:10). May you find peace and the voice of the Holy Spirit by coming back to His Church. Stop persecuting His Church (Acts 9:4).

          • Fatima

            Your stupidity is noticed. You don’t know how to read and your mind all twisted with the devilish doctrines of Hell from your Satanic Masonic Luciferian sect. The new mass and the new church of your fake pope Francis is not Catholic. I am a Catholic and my Catholic Church is always remained Catholic Doctrines from Jesus down to His Disciples and it will be forever. Your stupid Vatican II, the Satanic Council have been twisted and deceived all Catholics to drink the poisonous of the Modernism, Ecumenism and Luciferism of the NWO. Get your stupid brain dead off of the asses of the faggots and pedophiles and learn the truth. You are not in a Catholic Church but you are in a CONCILIAR COUNTERFEIT CATHOLIC. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing just like Francis your father. Begone Satan, your kingdom on earth is over. Go back to hell.

          • Rosae Mendoza

            Fatima, you say you’re a true Catholic? True followers of Jesus Christ our Lord do NOT speak the way you are speaking to a brother in Christ. Imagine Jesus using that language and hate towards the high priest or the soldiers when he was getting beat and crucified. He came for the sinners not for the righteous and always spoke with love. You’re not convincing anyone of your true religion with hating method.

          • Fatima

            Here another stupid fool. Don’t you know how to read? Who attack who first? Their languages and their doctrines of hell will bring you down to hell with them, fool. TELL PEOPLE THE TRUTH WILL SAVE THEIR SOULS EVEN IF THE TRUTH IS HURT. YOUR PEOPLE HAVE PRIDE JUST LIKE SATAN, LIKE FATHER LIKE SON. You pseudo Catholics are not my brothers or sisters. I am not mingled with you devils.

          • REM

            I never said anything about you attacking first. My concern is how much hate is in you. How arrogant and unloving you are.
            Mathew 23:27

            “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs–beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity.

          • Fatima

            So, telling the truth is hatred according to your judgmental, you hypocrite. How dare you judge me as full of hate when I actually tell the truth, that’s the charity. Are you better than HOLY SPIRIT? HOW DO YOU KNOW IN MY HEART THAT I SPEAK OUT OF CHARITY OR OUT OF HATE? YOU STUPID FAKE CATHOLIC. YOU ARE A LIAR JUST LIKE SATAN YOUR FATHER. You quote Scripture but you never live Scripture because your judgment are blind and full of hypocrisy and it come from Satan.

            Now you claim you are better than HOLY SPIRIT for you know inside of me full of dead bones and impurity. How stupid and hypocrite you fake Catholics are. You mock Holy Spirit and His Virtues. You are mocking God and you set yourself above God.

            IF I SPEAK NOT THE TRUTH. PROVE IT. IF YOU CANNOT PROVE ANYTHING THAN YOU ARE A SLANDER, A LIAR JUST LIKE THE REST OF YOUR DEVILS.
            BEGONE SATAN. I HAVE CRUSH YOUR HEAD.

          • REM

            I don’t judge you. Scripture does. You were the first to judge. You are the typical person that thinks that you are better than everyone else. The only crushed head is yours. You are no child of God when you speak with profanity and hate. You speak your own truth. You’re a fake prophet.

          • Fatima

            I SPEAK SCRIPTURE, I LIVE SCRIPTURE, MY LIFE IS GUIDE BY HOLY SPIRIT FOR I SPEAK AND DEFEND THE TRUTH. YOU COME OUT OF HELL AND ATTACK ME FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH. YOU BLASPHEME HOLY SPIRIT AND YOU SET YOURSELF ABOVE HOLY SPIRIT. YOU WILL GO INTO MISFORTUNE. PROVE TO ME AND OTHERS WHAT I SAY IS NOT TRUTH. PROVE TO ME AND OTHERS THAT I AM SPEAKING OUT OF HATRED. SINCE YOU CANNOT PROVE ANYTHING WRONG OF MY WORDS AND MY THOUGHTS. YOU ARE A LIAR, A SLANDER, A COWARDICE DEVIL JUST AS YOUR FATHER SATAN IS. PROVE TO ME AND OTHERS WHAT WORDS THAT I USE ARE “PROFANITY AND HATE” YOU STUPID FOOL. WOE TO YOU, WHO CALL GOOD EVIL AND EVIL GOOD. WOE TO YOU WHO CALL TRUTH A LIE AND LIE TRUTH. WOE TO YOU WHO CALL SATAN FATHER AND CURSE GOD AS FAKE. THE FIRE OF HELL IS NOT EVEN SUFFICIENT FOR YOU.

          • REM

            Last time I checked calling someone a stupid fool was an insult. Like you said: you don’t know me. God knows me. What God thinks about me is important to me. What you think is worthless. Your words define you. You’re not defending the truth. You’re defending your ego. It was people like you that got Jesus killed. Your God and mine are different. Mine loves the poor and humble, he forgives the sinners that seek him. Your God is the God of the Pharisees.

          • Fatima

            YOU STILL CANNOT PROVE ANYTHING THAT YOU ACCUSED ME OF. WHAT “PROFANITY AND HATE” THAT I USED? YOU ARE A LIAR, A DEVILISH LIAR JUST LIKE SATAN YOUR FATHER. WHAT DID I SAY IS NOT THE TRUTH? WHAT DID I SAY IS A “FALSE PROPHET”? WHAT DID I SAY IS NOT COME FROM JESUS AND HOLY SPIRIT? DID YOU SEE MY SOUL AND MY HEART FULL OF HATE AND BONES AND IMPURITY? ARE YOU BETTER THAN JESUS AND HOLY SPIRIT NOW? WOE TO YOU WHO THINK YOU CAN FIGHT AGAINST GOD!

            I CALL YOU EXACTLY THE WORD DESCRIBE YOU AND YOUR FATHER. THE WORD “STUPID FOOL” HAS USED SEVERAL TIMES IN SCRIPTURE. GO AND READ IT AGAIN IF YOU DARE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. YOU INSULT JESUS AND HOLY SPIRIT AND PRAISE THE EVIL. YOU FOLLOW A FAKE POPE, A FALSE RELIGION, A RELIGION OF HELL AND TO HELL YOU WILL GO.

          • REM

            I don’t know if I should laugh or feel sorry for you. You quote scripture to your convenience yet your stuck in the same verse is that all they’ve thought you so far. You claim you speak the truth and defend your faith. What part of my texts are lies and false to you? I don’t think your interpretation of defending faith is right at all. Did you miss the part of Moses striking the rock and misinterpreting God and the consequences? Did you miss the part of Jesus calling us the love one another specially our enemies and yet you are cursing me and sending me to hell for what? I have no clue. Maybe for calling you out on your rudeness towards your neighbors the ones Jesus told you to love. You call me and others on here fools but the only ignorant fool is you. I don’t know what you are so upset about? What I do know is that you are mean and rude. A true believer doesn’t condemn others like you do. Not just because you belive there’s a God means you’re a child of God (that’s you)

          • Fatima

            YOU AND YOUR FATHER SPEAK THE SAME TONGUES. GO BACK AND REREAD WHAT I POST PERHAPS YOUR BLIND EYES WILL OPEN AND SEE WHY YOU FOOL. YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURE NOR YOU UNDERSTAND THE DOCTRINES THAT JESUS TAUGHT. YOU AND YOUR SATANIC VATICAN II SPEW OUT DOCTRINES OF SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. YOU STUPID FOOL. DON’T YOU HAVE ANY BRAIN TO COMPREHEND ANYTHING?

          • REM

            Funny how everything you just said on this last post describes you exactly. You attack me like the Pharisees judged Jesus for hanging out with tax collectors and prostitutes. Because they felt superior to others. Just like you feel superior to me. Which is fine because your opinion towards m means nothing. You are trying so hard to prove your faith and superiority but all I see is how self-centered and sad person you are. You need to reevaluate your so called religion or faith because instead of bringing people to God you are pushing them away. I would run from a person like you that condemn. God is love. You are evil

          • Fatima

            YOU CUT OFF YOURSELF FROM GOD AND YOU ARE OUTSIDER. BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LOVE THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH NEVER IN YOU. THUS, YOU ARE NOT RECEIVED ANY LOVE FROM GOD. YOU ARE FROM YOUR FATHER THE LIAR AND THE MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING. YOU ARE WITH A COUNTERFEIT RELIGION. THE ONE WHO CONTRADICTORY IS YOU. THE ONE WHO LIVE IN HATRED IS YOU. THE ONE WHO IS BLINDED AND FOOL IS YOU. THE ONE WHO BLASPHEMOUS IS YOU. IN HELL YOU COME FROM AND IN HELL YOU WILL GO BACK. YOU REJECTED THE DOCTRINES THAT JESUS TAUGHT. YOU FOLLOW THE WORLD AND THE MASONIC VATICAN II MAN-MADE RELIGION. THE STUPID FOOL IS YOU.

          • REM

            You truly describe yourself in this las post. The anger you speak with is undeniably your worst contradiction of your faith. I have received countless blessings and love from God. I dont think you have otherwise you would speak with love and humbleness. You don’t know the true God. I feel sorry for you. You live in denial. I will pray for you. God have mercy on your soul and may the Holy Spirit open your eyes and gives you wisdom and knowledge.

          • Fatima

            YOU ARE A STUPID FOOL. GOD DOESN’T IN YOUR MASONIC LUCIFERIAN RELIGION. YOU FOLLOW SATAN AND WORSHIP SATAN AND YOU CALL HIM GOD? YOUR FRANCIS AND YOUR RELIGION CONTRADICT 100% TO THE TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH. YOU STUPID FOOL, GO AND LEARN HOW TO READ. READ WHAT VATICAN II TAUGHT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF HOW CONTRADICTORY THEY ARE, STUPID FOOL. DON’T FEEL SORRY FOR ME. I DON’T NEED YOUR FEELING NOR ANYTHING FROM MY ENEMY. YOU AND YOUR PSEUDO CATHOLICS ARE MY ENEMY. DON’T YOU HAVE ANY BRAIN TO COMPREHEND ANYTHING YET?

          • REM

            The only person without a brain is you. I have waisted my time with you. You are blind and stubborn. You can’t see past your ignorance and arrogance. I sure think that the only child of Satan is you. As you state we the Christian are your enemy. Just as satan is God’s enemy. Therefore you are a child of perdition not me. I don’t care to waist my time on you anymore. You are hopeless. I don’t understand how you even follow this site if you hate us so much? Oh wait you’re a deceiver and your here to deceive and try to make Christians doubt God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and yet I wish you no harm. My the peace of God be with you.

          • REM

            I thank God and love him more after talking to you. I thank him for not allowing a selfcentered person like you who thinks is perfect to judge the world for if you had that power there would be no one left to judge. We would all have been thrown into he’ll you would be the only righteous person on earth. But remember that there has and will be only one perfect man ever to walk the world Jesus Christ. Yet with all of our sins he found us worthy of saving and died on the cross for all. You seem to think that you are the only one worthy of his sacrifice and love at the cross. Who is the real fool?

          • rideralberta2

            REM…. just a cursory look at the conversation with Fatima shows that it unfolds the way an evil spirit speaks in an exorcism. Pray for Fatima’s deliverance. Period.

          • Fatima

            I KNOW SATAN AND HIS CHILDREN ARE STUPID, ARROGANT, BLIND, DEAF AND DUMB. I AM HERE TO DEFEND MY TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH AGAINST YOUR FAKE COUNTERFEIT MAN-MADE MASONIC SATANIC FREEMASONRY CHURCH. YOUR VATICAN II IS A SATANIC COUNCIL WHO HIJACKED AND STOLE JESUS CHRIST CHURCH AND DECEIVED EVERYBODY SUCH AS YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO STUPID, LAZY AND DUMB TO CHECK THEM OUT TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE REALLY BEING TEACHING.

            BY THE WAY, I BET YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN VATICAN I AND VATICAN II, DON’T YOU?

            WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A CATHOLIC?

            WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF A CATHOLIC?

            WHAT IS THE VIRTUE THAT MAKE A PERSON BECOME A TRUE CATHOLIC?

            HOW DO YOU PROFESS YOUR CATHOLIC?

            YOU DON’T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT CATHOLIC TEACHINGS. YOU FOLLOW A FAKE POPE, A FAKE RELIGION AND YOU SWALLOWED UP THEIR POISONOUS AND YOU ARE A ARROGANT FOOL. YOU THINK THAT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING AND GOD HAS TO BOW DOWN TO YOUR DEMAND, DON’T YOU?

            YOU EAT AND DRINK THE DOCTRINES OF HELL AND YOU SPREAD FAKE LOVE. TWO FAGGOTS AND/OR PEDOPHILES OR PROSTITUTES CAN ARGUE THAT THEY DO LOVE. BUT IS THAT THEIR LOVE GUARANTEED THEIR HEAVEN? WHAT GUARANTEED HEAVEN TO SOMEONE?

            YOU STUPID FOOL, THE TRUE LOVE ONLY COME FROM TRUE CHARITY. CHARITY COME FROM HOLY SPIRIT. CHARITY IS GIVEN TO ANYONE IS LOVING THE TRUTH, LIVE THE TRUTH, PRACTICE THE TRUTH, TEACH THE TRUTH AND DEFEND THE TRUTH, SATAN YOUR RELIGION IS EXPOSED.

            YOUR FAKE LOVE, FAKE ECUMENICAL CHURCH HAS NOT BRING IN ANYONE INTO THE CHURCH BUT LEAD THEM TO HELL BECAUSE NOTHING COME FROM YOUR MOUTH OR YOUR CHURCH IS THE TRUTH. YOU ARE A DELUSIONAL MEGALOMANIAC.

            GO AND LEARN WHAT THE FOREFATHERS OF THE CHURCH HAD TAUGHT AND GO BACK TO LEARN THE TRUE DOGMAS THAT HAD BEEN HANDLED DOWN FOR 2000 YEARS AND GET OUT OF THE SATANIC VATICAN II NEW MASS AND NEW RELIGION OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

            THE JUDGEMENT DAYS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAKE RELIGION ARE NEAR. I SUGGEST YOU SEEK OUT THE TRUE PRIEST AND ASK HIM FOR CONFESSION AND REPENT, CONVERT BACK TO THE TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC CHURCH WHICH IS ALWAYS A TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

            I HAVE GIVEN YOU YOUR WARNINGS. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED.

          • REM

            Poor little person warning me over something you should be worried about yourself. I follow a God of love and mercy that tells me to love everyone including you. You follow an angry God full of hate and irrational. So who follows the true God I ask you? You give a bad name to any so called Catholic or any other church.

          • Fatima

            YOU ARE SURELY A LIAR. SATAN WILL BE PROUD OF YOU. JESUS NEVER TELL YOU TO LOVE “EVERYONE”. HE SAID: “IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.” WHAT ARE HIS COMMANDMENTS, CAN YOU NAME THEM? IF YOU KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, YOU SHOULD NEVER GO TO THE MAN-MADE SATANIC FAKE CHURCH. YOU WOULD NEVER CALL GOOD EVIL AND EVIL GOOD. YOU SHOULD KNOW THE DOCTRINES OF THE TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH. YOU ARE AS FAKE AS YOUR FRANCIS THE SISSY. DON’T YOU KNOW FRANCIS IS A FAGGOT, A FREEMASON AND NOT A CATHOLIC POPE? DON’T YOU KNOW THE REAL POPE IS STILL BENEDICT XVI? YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO KNOW ANYTHING ANYWAY. WASTED MY TIME TRY TO EDUCATE A PSEUDO CATHOLIC.

          • REM

            My gosh whatever happened to you that you have so much hate for pope Francis. What did he do to you? Educate me? Really.? You were trying to educate me with all that garbage and hate towards the world? And now you dare to affirm that Jesus didn’t tell us to love one another? WOW

          • Fatima

            I KNOW YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO KNOW ANYTHING BUT OPEN YOUR STUPID MOUTH SWALLOWED UP EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING VATICAN II COUNCIL OF SATAN POOPED OUT. YOUR STUPIDITY IS NOTICED AND RECORDED. YOUR BRAIN IS DEAD BECAUSE YOU WORSHIP THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN INSTEAD OF JESUS CHRIST. GO BACK AND LEARN THE VATICAN I AND VATICAN II AND THEN COMPARE, YOU STUPID FOOL.

          • REM

            I have encountered all kinds of people in my life and even atheist have more love and respect for others than you who calls itself a believer you are a disgrace. You call me ignorant but it is you who can’t get your face out of the Vatican ll subject. You are obsessed with the matter and it is clearly messing with your capability of reasoning. So sad. You like the fig tree produce no fruit and needs the be cut down. You are a waste of space

          • Fatima

            YOU ARE BLIND AS A BRAT BECAUSE OF YOUR PRIDE. YOU DON’T LOVE THE TRUTH THEREFORE GOD IS NOT WITH YOU. YOU GO TO THE COUNTERFEIT CHURCH AND YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DETERMINE WHICH ONE IS TRUE CHURCH AND WHICH ONE IS COUNTERFEIT CHURCH. YOU ARE A STUPID FOOL THINK THAT LOVE IS JUST “AGREED” AND ” BE JUST LIKE THEM” YOU ARE A STUPID. YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW THE DEFINITION OF LOVE MEAN. LOVE IN CATHOLIC TEACHING IS TO SHOW A BLIND PERSON A WAY OUT TO OPEN THEIR EYES. YOU NEVER CAN ANSWER ONE QUESTION THAT I ASKED YOU ABOUT HOW TO BE A CATHOLIC AND WHAT MAKE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TRUE LOVE WHICH IS CHARITY. SINNERS, BLASPHEMERS LIKE YOU THEY CAN SAY ALL DAY LONG FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE THAT THEY DO “LOVE” THEIR LOVE IS A FAKE LOVE. YOU DON’T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS TAUGHT AND TO WHOM HE SAID TO. PITIFUL, PITIFUL, LIKE FATHER LIKE SON. YOUR FATHER SATAN HAS DECEIVED YOU AND NOW YOU DECEIVED YOURSELF AND OTHERS.

            YOU NEVER CAN LEARN ANYTHING FROM VATICAN II. THEY ARE UNDER DIABOLIC DISORIENTATION, AND THEY WANT TO TAKE AS MUCH SOULS AS THEY COULD TO GO WITH THEM. YOU ARE ONE OF THEIR VICTIMS.

            IF YOU HAVE A FEAR FOR YOUR SOUL, GO AND RE-READ MY POST AND LEARN THE TRUTH. OTHERWISE, DON’T COMPLAIN THAT NO ONE EVER WARNED YOU. IF YOU LIKE TO BE IN YOUR SATANIC CHURCH AND FOLLOW THE SON OF PERDITION FRANCIS, THEN GO TO HELL WITH HIM .

          • REM

            Repent or Perish
            13 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.” You, poor little person have repeated yourself through out your hateful posts. There’s nothing to learn. You are an angry little person. The only lesson to learn is to run from dumb people like you. You know nothing about scripture other than what was brained washed into you. You really need to read and understand the message of Jesus. You poor sad little person.

          • Fatima

            POOR THING. YOU ARE SO TWISTED MINDED. YOU TRY TO PROVE YOURSELF BUT YOU ARE PROVEN NOTHING. YOUR QUOTE APPLY DIRECT TO YOU AND YOUR COUNTERFEIT CHURCH. YOUR NEW MASS IS A SACRILEGE AND BLASPHEMY AND YET YOU ATTEND AND DEFEND IT. YOU SLAP ON CHRIST FACE AND THINK THAT YOU ARE LOVED. SATAN YOUR DAY ON THIS EARTH IS SOON OVER AND YOU WILL OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE THAT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO LEARN BUT REFUSED TO DO SO. SO, REST IN HELL WITH YOUR FAKE POPE, FAKE DOCTRINES. KEEP YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND BE WITH YOUR FAGGOT PRIESTS, PEDOPHILE BISHOPS, FOR YOU ARE ONE AND THE SAME WITH THEM. YOUR STUPIDITY AND ARROGANT FIT YOU PERFECTLY AS A PSYCHOPATH DELUSIONAL DIABOLIC DISORIENTATION..

          • REM

            Wow. You are some fanatic brainwashed person. What ever your cult is, I want NO part of. I declare Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour. I doubt the Holy Spirit of God is the one telling you to insult me or any other Christian/Catholic. I really hope that if your heart is pure that you will see the light and the truth.

          • Fatima

            YOU HAVE NO PART WITH GOD FOR YOU CALL GOOD EVIL AND EVIL GOOD. YOU HAVE NO HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU FOR YOU JUDGE THE TRUTH AS LIE AND LIE AS TRUTH. YOU HAVE NO SAVIOUR AND NO JESUS CHRIST IN YOU FOR HE SAID ” I AM THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIGHT.” YOU HAVE NO PART OF HIS KINGDOM SINCE YOU CANNOT DEFEND HIM WHO IS THE TRUTH AND YOU LOVE HIM NOT SINCE YOU EMBRACE HIS ENEMY.
            “GET AWAY FROM ME, YOU CURSED, I KNOW YOU NOT.” THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT HE IS TELLING YOU NOW AND AT THE DAY OF RECKONING. YOU SATANIC CHILDREN OF HELL WILL TASTE THE RIGHT JUDGMENT FOR GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED.

          • REM

            I never said you attacked first. I did say however that you are full of hate. Your words don’t hurt me at all. You’re arrogant and unloving. You’re evil. You show no love or mercy. You’re the deceiver.
            Matthew 23:27
            27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. Matthew 24:9-13
            9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

          • Fatima

            So, the Holy Spirit and God are full of hate and evil and arrogant and unloving according to your book, you stupid fool. First and foremost, a Catholic must tell the truth and defend the truth at all cost. THE TRUTH IS GOD, YOU STUPID SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF SATAN. YOU ARE A LIAR AND A MURDERER IN YOUR THOUGHT, WORDS AND ACTIONS. I SPEAK THE TRUTH AND I DEFEND THE TRUTH. I AM INSIDE OF A TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT YOU FAKE PSEUDO MODERNISTS THE CHILDREN OF THE NWO WHICH IS LUCIFERIAN SECT. BEGONE SATAN. YOU SPEW OUT OF YOUR MOUTH LYING AND POISONOUS TO DESTROY THE SOULS. YOU QUOTE SCRIPTURE BUT YOU LIVE NOT OF THE SCRIPTURE. YOU CANNOT PROVE WHAT I SAY IS NOT TRUTH BUT YOU JUDGE ME ANYWAY, YOU SATAN. The Scripture you quote are the verdicts for you and your father Satan. BEGONE SATAN. YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME NOR OVER MY LORD CHURCH. You love to twisted the truth to fit your lustful life, you will be burnt in hell for compromised the faith and with your fake pope Francis and the rest of your COUNTERFEIT CATHOLIC.

          • Mary Murphy

            I don’t think we are on a level playing field. , I feel one respondent is mentally unstable and could use Spiritual guidance. It may never be possible to get the parties to find common ground. God bless you all esp. Pope Francis.

          • ali

            Wao

          • Robert McDealer

            You and people like you are the reason why I left the church and am happy that the founders of the United States were wise to keep religion out of government. People like you are responsible for the murder of millions in the name of your god…

          • Fatima

            No, you and people like you caused the wars and chastisements in this world for you are nothing but stupid hypocrite who call the right wrong and wrong right. You are nothing but a stupid heretic who slap on Christ’s face and follow Anti-Christ.

    • Brandon Overbeck

      That time has come and gone, WWII happened; we have fallen into the error of Russia. Russia received a consecration that was excepted, but too late and not as requested.
      Now we have to obey our Lady once again “Our Lady of America” and get Her statue into the Washington Basilica while continuing to wear the Scapular and pray the Rosary.

      • Fatima

        No, the Fatima Message had not been fulfilled yet. There are still WW III and then Tribulation and 75% of all mankind will be killed and many various nations will be annihilated. Those chastisements have yet to come, but will be here very very soon if WE DON’T WAKE UP NOW AND DO THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. Francis is not a Catholic Pope. He is a Freemason, an infiltrator, an invader, an impostor, an Anti-Christ of the New World Order. Benedict XVI is still a pope but they lock him up as house arrest. He wanted to do the consecration but the Bishops of the Luciferian sect stopped him, blocked him and made him into resigned. A TRUE POPE IN THE FUTURE MUST DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I BELIEVE THEY WILL KILL BENEDICT XVI TO PREVENT THE CONSECRATION. BUT THE HOLY POPE, TRUE POPE IN THE NEAR FUTURE MUST DO IT. OTHERWISE, THIS EARTH WILL BE GONE FOR SURE. Pray for Benedict XVI, he is very very weak and under diabolic disorientation. He afraid men more than afraid GOD. PRAY FOR HIM, PLEASE.

        As the same time, make noise and petitions to all AMERICAN BISHOPS, AMERICAN CARDINALS TO CONSECRATE USA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART SO THAT, SHE CAN PREVENT USA TO GET INTO THE WW III. SHE PROTECTED PORTUGAL FROM WW II BECAUSE PORTUGUESE BISHOPS HAD DONE IT.

        WE NEED TO LEARN FROM THEM. WE MUST CONSECRATE OUR NATION TO HER IMMACULATE HEART AGAIN TO DESTROY ALL THE SOURCES OF THE WAR-CRIMINALS, ABORTIONISTS, TERRORISTS, SATANISTS AND EVILS SPREAD INSIDE OF THIS NATION.

  • marybernadette

    Is this the same director who considered being a Catholic Priest? Of course, he would have to be called to the Priesthood. If so, how tragic he is promoting such.anti-Catholic films like this.

  • Michael

    How do we discern the fact that the gospel teaches that it is never too late for man to confess his sin and accept God’s grace of forgiveness. Does this exclude apostasy?

    • Brandon Overbeck

      It does not exclude it, but it does not condone or support sin simply because it can be forgiven.
      If sin is committed because you plan of repenting it is sacrilegious and a greater offence.
      You cannot say to yourself I will deny God now and repent later and expect your apology is considered valid. Apostasy is grounds for excommunication and those who take part in false gospel should be removed according to the commandments of the Gospel. Sure they can be forgiven, but they must repent and except mercy in the Truth.
      We are not the false religion of Islam were we found our actions on deceiving others for convenience; As they say we are to “stick to our guns”, or in this case the Cross.

  • Bk

    The novel was extremely thought provoking and moving. It played a huge role in my daily prayer in the weeks after I read it. There is so much more to the story than apostasy (so much!!). It seems a shame to me to discount the works as a whole because the main character was not a perfect hero of the faith. Who knows what any of us would have done? I take issue with the thought that the book/movie go against Catholic teaching; obviously the apostasy does, but so much is masterfully left up to the reader to interpret, including whether he really does hear Christ at the end or whether he is delusional. I personally think it’s worth experiencing. We are all broken people loved and in need of God’s mercy.

    • Rita

      I agree with you!

  • Marie Halligan

    Thank you for this. I was thinking of going to the cinema to see this film,which is a luxury for us,but as it’s just another anti-Christian, anti-Catholic load of propaganda, I’ll save myself a few quid and not bother!

  • Nancy Johnsen

    Thank you for this clear description of the Catholic view of this horrible movie.

  • Edward Koestner

    Scorcese is a blasphemer as we know from his previous 1988 film the Last Temptation of Christ. Now we have this movie Silence, which is a subtle apology of apostasy. Thank God both are flops. Scorcese was very upset with TFP’s protest against The Last Temptation of Christ. In an interview to the Spanish paper “YA”, he said that the protests were to blame for the poor attendance at his movie, since they preconditioned people to see it in a negative light. Protests work!

  • Rita

    I agree with bk

  • richado

    On a personal note- I lived and worked in Japan for over five years. In that time I belonged to a Catholic Cathedral Church. I also had read Shusaku Endo’s ‘Silence’ twice before going to Japan. (and have read other books by Endo- some very confusing on the faith). While in Japan I once asked some Japanese Catholic parishioners what they thought of this book- well, was I surprised. Although my sample size was small, not one of the Catholics there liked Endo’s ‘Silence’. One fellow was positively disgusted that I mentioned him. I was told there are many other Japanese Catholic writers who are ignored on account of Endo. Their voices are not heard. Also one chap said Endo was no Catholic in his eyes. And so on. What is needed is an article on what the minority Japanese Catholics think about Endo. My experience was limited and anecdotal. But it might worth it to find out what Japanese Catholics think of this book and the movie.

  • Tony D.

    I can’t believe Martin Scorsese makes anti-religious films as “Silence, ” and “Passion of the Christ”. I was in the same graduating class with him at Cardinal Hayes H.S. in the Bronx, N.Y. He signed my yearbook. My religious values I embraced at Hayes haven’t changed over the years but it looks like fame & fortune have changed, Scorsese’s……what a disappointment!

    • G. C. Davis

      The Passion of the Christ was not made by Scorsese, but by Mel Gibson. FYI.

      • Jozef Michelangelo DiGiorno

        Tony probably meant “The Last Temptation of Christ”

        • G. C. Davis

          Yup. I remember the protests for that in Santa Clara AMC. Got a little testy. “Can’t handle the truth?” was the taunt the pro-movie crowd used.

          • albertojvelarde

            Last Temptation is based on a novel by Kazakantis, which is not intended to be any historical or investigative work but more like a “what if”. The novel is just an essay. The movie is boring as hell, and yes the scenes are very controversial, but “truth”? Paul preaching and it comes an old Jesús telling him that he didnt resurrect from the dead, that for me was more blasphemous than the Mary Magdalene scene

  • the “Rock” upon which YHWH’s church is built is not Peter, or any other human being. the “Rock” is none other than Yahshua Messiah, Jesus the Christ.

    compare the following scriptures and the specific original Greek words used for “rock”:

    Matt 16:

    16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

    17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

    18 “And I also say to you that you are Peter [Petros], and on this rock [petra] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

    1Cor 10:

    10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,

    2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

    3 all ate the same spiritual food,

    4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock [petra] was Christ.

    regardless, it would be wise for us Christians of various stripes to heed our Lord’s commandment to love one another rather than rail against one another.

    we can either focus upon our few differing viewpoints and act as adversities toward one another… OR, focus on the most important matters, like growing in Christ individually and showing agape love toward one another.

    God gives us the free will to choose.

    peace, prosperity, and liberty…

    😎

    • albertojvelarde

      Actually the Word is “Kephas”, “Petra” is in greek. Paul is writing on another language, but the intended Word on the Gospel is another.

      • the concordance i’m using in my “Online Bible” states that the word translated to “rock” (not Peter) in Matt 16:18 is “petra”. the Strong’s Concordance agrees: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4073&t=KJV&ss=1

        regardless, the point i was making has to do with refuting the concept held by the RCC that the church was build upon Peter, and there being some kind of unbroken succession of Popes from Peter’s line. this is easily done by the comparison of various scriptures which state that Christ Himself is the “Rock” and “chief cornerstone” upon which His church is built. here are other prooftext scriptures regarding this:

        Ps 118:22 The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone.
        Mt 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone. This was the LORD’S doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes’?
        Mr 12:10 “Have you not even read this Scripture: ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone.
        Lu 20:17 Then He looked at them and said, “What then is this that is written: ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone’?
        Ac 4:11 “This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
        Eph 2:20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
        1Pe 2:6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
        1Pe 2:7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, “The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,”

        however, those who elect to believe otherwise are free to do so. but the scriptures are fairly straight forward about this truth.

        regardless of all, i was taken back by the attitudes being displayed among Christians here, which is primarily what urged me to suggest that all Christians have differing views about doctrines. such is why there are various denominations or groups of Christians. but we don’t have to rail against one another just because of this. 😎

        • albertojvelarde

          For Catholics, the Church was founded over the faith of Peter the Apostle. Anything else is denying what the Cathecism teaches us.

          • well, when the Biblical scriptures plainly state otherwise — that Christ is the rock & chief cornerstone upon which His church is built — i have to go with God’s Word over man’s word.

            if Catholics do not recognize that the scriptures are clear on this, then it’s certainly their prerogative to believe otherwise.

            but again, all this has to do with the point i was trying to make.

            no two individuals, regardless of even being of the same church culture, agree 100% on everything.

            therefore, it would be wise to recognize that and be at peace with fellow Christians regardless of their specific kind of Christian faith, rather than condemn one another for not being a “true” Christian, etc.

            it was only because of the language i witnessed of individuals condemning one another in some of these threads which caused me to consider commenting to begin with. 😎

          • albertojvelarde

            There are 2 variables here.

            a. Peter as the visible head of the Church

            b. Christ as the founder and Rock on which the Church gains its authority.

            One doesnt contradict the other, and Catholics are not in juxtaposition with one or the other. As catholics we believe Christ is the Rock on with the Church behold.

            But also we believe, the faith on St Peter was the visible testimony Christ wanted to found His Church

            We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic because some of his words are preserved for us in the Gospels. Look at Matthew 27:46, where he says from the cross, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ That isn’t Greek; it’s Aramaic, and it means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’

            “What’s more,” I said, “in Paul’s epistles—four times in Galatians and four times in 1 Corinthians—we have the Aramaic form of Simon’s new name preserved for us. In our English Bibles it comes out as Cephas. That isn’t Greek. That’s a transliteration of the Aramaic word Kepha (rendered as Kephas in its Hellenistic form).

            “And what does Kepha mean? It means a rock, the same as petra. (It doesn’t mean a little stone or a pebble. What Jesus said to Simon in Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on thiskepha I will build my Church.’

            “When you understand what the Aramaic says, you see that Jesus was equating Simon and the rock; he wasn’t contrasting them. We see this vividly in some modern English translations, which render the verse this way: ‘You are Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church.’ In French one word, pierre, has always been used both for Simon’s new name and for the rock.”

            Beyond the grammatical evidence, the structure of the narrative does not allow for a downplaying of Peter’s role in the Church. Look at the way Matthew 16:15-19 is structured. After Peter gives a confession about the identity of Jesus, the Lord does the same in return for Peter. Jesus does not say, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are an insignificant pebble and on this rock I will build my Church. . . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus is giving Peter a three-fold blessing, including the gift of the keys to the kingdom, not undermining his authority. To say that Jesus is downplaying Peter flies in the face of the context. Jesus is installing Peter as a form of chief steward or prime minister under the King of Kings by giving him the keys to the kingdom. As can be seen in Isaiah 22:22, kings in the Old Testament appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. Jesus quotes almost verbatum from this passage in Isaiah, and so it is clear what he has in mind. He is raising Peter up as a father figure to the household of faith (Is. 22:21), to lead them and guide the flock (John 21:15-17). This authority of the prime minister under the king was passed on from one man to another down through the ages by the giving of the keys, which were worn on the shoulder as a sign of authority. Likewise, the authority of Peter has been passed down for 2000 years by means of the papacy.

            Also read:

            https://thechurchofchristiscatholic.com/2014/03/07/the-church-of-christ-is-built-on-rock/

          • i understand the way and method by which those who have made such decrees within the papacy come to such conclusions. however, i disagree with them based upon that various scriptures i’ve already cited.

            it’s dangerous to build entire doctrines from one scripture while not considering other scriptures.

            various scriptures plainly state that Christ is the chief cornerstone. what is a cornerstone? one online source says:

            cor·ner·stone

            1. an important quality or feature on which a particular thing depends or is based. synonyms: foundation, basis, keystone, mainspring, mainstay, linchpin, bedrock, base, backbone, key, centerpiece, core, heart, center, crux

            2. a stone that forms the base of a corner of a building, joining two walls.

            since Christ is a sentient being, we must presume the various Biblical scriptures which refer to Him as the “chief cornerstone” to be metaphor. therefore, the first definition seems to be most accurate.

            from my perspective, the RCC has created an entire papacy doctrine around the misinterpretation of one scripture. i find no place in scriptures which corroborates this concept that Christ’s church is built upon a human being rather than Himself. however, i find the contrary through various scriptures already cited (not just one) that Christ’s church is built upon Himself.

            concerning the mistranslation of the Aramaic passage in Matt 27:46, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”, i recently condensed a very lengthy study done by someone else regarding this entire concept of the Father forsaking Christ the very next day after Christ stated to His apostles that He was not alone and that the Father was with Him (John 16:32).

            perhaps you and others here might find it enlightening to discover that the Father never forsook Christ, and He won’t forsake us.

            Was Christ Forsaken by the Father
            https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzZWVkc29mdHJ1dGh8Z3g6Nzk3YzlhYmZhYzM3OWRmYw

            regardless of our differing viewpoints about who exactly God’s church is really built upon, i am thankful that we have at least exemplified here that Christians who don’t agree upon certain doctrines can communicate with one another respectfully and not resort to personal attacks as we have witnessed in another thread here. this was the real reason why i posted.

            Godbless! 😎

  • Suzanne

    I’m so sorry Fatima. You’re language and capitalization show your heart. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be you. Yes, the Fatima message needs to be obeyed. I will pray for you. I’m surprised that some people had more than one conversation with you. You too can be saved. You’re not a lost cause, noone is. We are all creations of God. May you be blessed and loved.

  • albertojvelarde
  • albertojvelarde

    A bishop’s opinion on the “Silence” movie:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Th7Tiz1cEk

  • dbondinkc

    Not a good movie, certainly not a movie that would draw people to TRUTH. It is misguiding as to what is the truths of our Catholic Faith. As for the Orthodox folks, Pope Saint John Paul II desired for reconciliation with them, they are separated because they do not recognize the Holy See. That Our Lord would reconcile His Holy Church, this should be our prayer. As for Pope Francis, he is the Pope. But he is human as well. There have always been bad popes, and sainted popes. Our Lord will not let us be lost to Him due to a bad pope-He never did in the past-He will NOT abandon us. To not recognize this pope would further schism, and division. Trust in God, not in people. Trust that Our Lord WILL work His Holy will, even through a bad pope, just as He has done so in the past. And finally, concerning muslim people. We need to pray for their conversion, just as the saints of centuries before have done so, even though they had to do battle with them. PRAY FOR YOUR ENEMIES! Our Lord Jesus said so!!

  • I agree with this article, spot on. I mean Marty goes from Wolf of Wall Street to Jesuit priests in Japan. I watched 20 mintues of this garbage, and that was all I needed to conclude this is an insincere, excuse my language piss take on our religion. Dont waste your money paying to see this, I promise you will be dissapointed and I’m a big fan of his old stuff like Raging Bull and Casino etc..